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[Count Roland]

hahahaha peta and their sea kittens...

[Assaultman67]

Well, its not that i disagree that peta are hypocrites ...

I just wonder why arson is considered so horrendous a crime.

Pretty much murder and arson are considered to be the same level of evil

rape is ... well ... it varies based upon who you ask ... some say not as bad as murder, others think its worse.

I just don't see how burning down property can be considered as bad as murder itself

arson coupled with attempted murder or actual murder i could see ... but just arson itself

[Renegade_Turner]

I just wonder why arson is considered so horrendous a crime.

Pretty much murder and arson are considered to be the same level of evil

I can't understand where you've gotten that from. I've really never experienced anyone say that murder and arson are in any way comparable. Don't compare the bad with the worst though. Just because arson isn't as bad as murder doesn't mean it's not a very serious crime. Supporting an arsonist is still pretty shocking.

[Count Roland]

All crimes are equal and all informed criminals are animals, peta protects animals.

[Renegade_Turner]

I doubt you really believe that, so I'm going to assume you're being ironic...

[Ragdollmaster]

lolterrorism. I was with you for the most part until you used that term...

Why? Terrorism is terrorism. Sensationalism fits into that category. I'm not using it in any connotative way, I'm just calling it what it is. The guy wanted to use terror as a weapon to get his views across

Back on topic, this.

[Count Roland]

I doubt you really believe that, so I'm going to assume you're being ironic...

Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

[Untadaike]

LOL the FBI would label environmentalist and animal rights "terrorists". Whoa, did our administration just authorize an assassinat- OMG LOOK BEHIND YOU! A TERRORIST! Oh, my bad.

What was I talking about? Hmm, whatever.

[Ragdollmaster]

LOL the FBI would label environmentalist and animal rights "terrorists". Whoa, did our administration just authorize an assassinat- OMG LOOK BEHIND YOU! A TERRORIST! Oh, my bad.

Uh? Is this sarcasm or no?

A terrorist is anybody who commits an act which produces terror on a mass scale- not necessarily crashing a plane into a building or suicide-bombing. Making and using bombs with the intention of harming people or private property can be defined as terrorism depending on the situation. Here, where the guy's a sensationalist trying to get his point across by flailing his ideological dick in the area, it could definitely be a terrorist act. When there are recorded instances of people affiliated with those groups committing riots, arson, and so on, it's probably a good call to keep an eye on them.

And note that in that chart, the FBI has simply labeled them as "threats". The implication there is "potential threats". If you have enough sensational radicals in one group, god knows what they're going to do. It's not as if they have armed special forces stalking everyone in PETA, ready for a mass simultaneous kill-off should the need arise.

Plus, I really don't see what point you're trying to make with the "assassination" analogy. Has the US probably engaged in top secret military missions before? Yes. Do we have any proof of what exactly they've done? No. But that's still not terrorism. You're trying to make them seem like hypocrites who are using radical groups as scapegoats- they're not. They're just stating obvious facts based upon observation and taking action to prevent harm from coming to the citizens under the government.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PURTY GOOD IDEA RIGHT DER.

But clearly they should be out shelling whale boats and destroying research facilities, because that contributes to society so much more than necessary clandestine acts undertaken to ensure the safety and stability of the international community.

PS ALF and ELF are both entirely batshit crazy. Trying to even remotely defend them or justify their actions is beyond the reach of mortal intelligence. I think you should probably stop.

EDIT: Oh dear, I've gone and steered off-topic again. HERE'S SOME JAZZ HANDS!

[Untadaike]

It was sarcasm. Weak sarcasm. Rushed sarcasm. A disgrace to these forums. I will go cry now.

And for the record, there is solid proof of US assassinations. Actually, it's one of only things you can really be proud of America for these days. Gotta find a way to distinguish yourself from the crowd, right? Hi, I kill people for self-gain!

One case and point, the most obvious: Ernesto Guevara. 1967. CIA.

On to random, unrelated rants:

Whether the CIA follows the every beck and call of the administration is another issue. In this case, I think it would be correct to assume that this was an order from the... commander-in-chief.'Course, one must stop the advancement of socialism, at all costs. Might actually do some good things, god forbid.

Anyway, the flipside is assuming that the CIA execute nothing but orders from the top. That's naive.

(Oh, here I'll stop myself before I go further, stressing that this isn't in comment to anything you said, I just got started...)

Probably the CIA prides itself on training the most brutal cadets, you know, who also present the most creative torture methods, of course. For all those times when we are forced to break our own laws and lie to our people. And the prisons are full of weed smokers. Oh, common sense is taking a day off. More like 150 years leave of absence.

Bin Laden. (OMG, CRAZY ARAB RIGHT??!?!11``1`) Of course we trained all our "most-wanted". What makes more sense? Oh, I know what makes more sense: retaliating to a terrorist attack by invading a defenseless country for oil. And none of the original terrorists were Iraqi to boot. Oh right, was that what this was all about?

I bet the plotters of Washington actually were a little happy, when they thought about it. Finally, we have an excuse to invade a country for money. We just get some people that are good at talking, use the anger, and BAM. We've got ourselves stuck in a pool of black gold. Only problem, it's not sustainable.

The dynamic of Capitalism is creating problems, then profiting off them. This country, I believe, has succeeded at doing just that. But you can only succeed for so long. Fun for the sadists who would like to justify what they do by calling it patriotism under their colors, but not for me.

And this is probably going to provoke a denunciation of my self-worth, so I'll brace myself. I know I deserved it. And it may seem that I'm an arrogant know-it-all wannabe free-thinker. Oh if only. I try, I try.

[zoidberg rules]

What makes more sense? Oh, I know what makes more sense: retaliating to a terrorist attack by invading a defenseless country for oil. And none of the original terrorists were Iraqi to boot. Oh right, was that what this was all about?

I bet the plotters of Washington actually were a little happy, when they thought about it. Finally, we have an excuse to invade a country for money. We just get some people that are good at talking, use the anger, and BAM. We've got ourselves stuck in a pool of black gold.

Here, here!

[Renegade_Turner]

Lol look what I did. I really am too manipulative for my own good.[/devil'sadvocate]

No really, this conversation is too long and drawn-out for my liking. Tl,dr. I just love how the word terrorism comes up in the most inoccuous of situations.

A Chinese restaurant was recently set on fire by a local known pyromaniac. It's like calling that terrorism. It's just so silly. It's vandalism.

[Untadaike]

A Chinese restaurant was recently set on fire by a local known pyromaniac. It's like calling that terrorism. It's just so silly. It's vandalism.

LOL. Damn Chineses. Though I do love me some Pad Thai.

[Assaultman67]

speaking about fires ...

There was a fire downtown yesterday morning ... apparently some adult "novelty" store caught on fire and they had to evacuate adjacent buildings ...

I honestly didn't even know about it.

However, my parents saw it on the news last evening and my mom called to make sure I was alright ...

lol ... my parents think I'm a pervert

[Renegade_Turner]

Haha, of course you live in the sex shop. It's a logical thing for one's parents to assume.