What people belive is true on these forums

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:15 pm

Ask ten different religions and you'll get ten different answers, 15 if one of them was a philosopher. (Modification of something bartenders say in Vega Strike)

God. If you had to believe in only one of them, then you could at least have called him something more interesting. God is just another god living in the spiritual plane. God as in "That big guy up there" may or may not exist, if he/she/it does exist, it'd be as something watching over all the planes of existence. Personally, I don't believe that fits in to my view of the universes.

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:32 pm

Define god.

I would love to hear Nicks answer.

Go on Nick...

zatoichi · Post by **zatoichi** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:14 pm

Colicedus wrote:I am not a Christian, or nothing, but Nick, That is the most arrogant statement I have heard all of today. What makes you more knowing than anyone else? some things Can not be explained by science. science is important yes, It helps people understand things on this side of the vail. :|

could you name one such thing, please?

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:44 pm

Anything that can be physically altered, or used, and generally observed in the physical world. The law of science in my point of view is important, but dose not cover everything. There are things on the other side of the vail, that the mind and science can not explain. To an extent it can be integrated, but were not always, sometimes you can be dealing with a science of a different realty or realities, that have found some way of crossing though subtly.

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:23 pm

Sorry for the bad typing, but my definition of god would be:

God (god) : A symbol of life, or the "Supreme Being" of all the universe. A made up creature/person/animal/spirit for people to look up to in times of need. Lonely people think of god as a friend (basically an imaginary friend) and send their prayers to it and hope for the best. If those prayers come true, then that is one hell of a lucky person.

God was invented. By some nut, but then somebody believed him, and then that person told his/her family and friends and it spread and spread until it became a cult. It's discusting in my oppinion.

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:03 pm

Can you prove that he is invented?

Now, since this topic is in my mind Getting to Serious and sensitive,
I will be telling a joke to lighten us all up.

One of my old mans pals were in the armed forces, he was a paratrooper. There was a new man in his unit. He was new to the idea of jumping out of a plane and using a parachute. he asked "what do i do if the parachute dose not open?" Willy (my dads mate) said to him "then you pull the back up parachute"

the man nodded, and then he asked "and if that one fails?"
Willy drew a breath in and said "don't worry, just say Ahala, Ahala, save me!" all the paratroopers chuckled and got back to preparing for there training.

well, the unit got onboard the aircraft and were going to jump into a combat training session. and the worst happened. both parachutes failed.
only thing he decided to do what willy told him to do. "Aaaahala! Ahhhala! Save meee!" and with that, a Giant hand came from the clouds. it grabbed the Trainee by the scruff of the shirt, and placed him down gently. The entire training lesson stopped for this amazing wonder.
Stunned from this the man collapsed. after a while he got back up, his words were "Now that was lucky, thank the devil for that..." that was followed by Ahalas foot falling from the heavens squishing him.

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:18 pm

You watched Billy Connoley's tour of New Zealand the other night, didn't you.

(Or however you spell his second name)

Also, in his version, the guy didn't collapse, and instead rather more immediately said "Thank christ for that!" *splat*

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:36 pm

How does that prove god exists? It's a joke. And I think the way I think cause I was brouht up that way. I can never change it. And I never WANT to change it. Religion restricts people's lives and they're tricked into not being able to do some of the most fun things in life, by beleiving that god will punish them or send them to hell. It's retarded. I'm not sensitive about this subject at all, but if you are, then maybe you should not talk on this thread.

rudel_ic · Post by **rudel_ic** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:54 pm

Maybe you shouldn't tell people what to do or think, NickD. You're way too young and unexperienced to impress other guys on these forums.

Saying god is an invention doesn't prove anything. God is of course made up by humans - in a way. But what was made up is there to explain things like where we all come from, what the source of all being is, why there's life and death, what strings the world together, why the heck laws of physics exist and so on.
It doesn't matter what god you take for that, but a lot of questions can't be answered in another way. Maybe superstring theory has a 'but...' there, I don't know, doesn't matter.

Now, tying god, the replacement for unexplainability and stuff, to morals, luck and positive behavior is of course a smart move. That way, the most important rules we have are bound to something more powerful than "because I guess it makes sense". It's bound to the ultimate lawmaker.

When people nowadays are religious in a way that exceeds the usual behavior, you don't see stupid wallawalla, but rituals. Rituals are very powerful and important.

To sum it up, calling religion stupid or god made up is a way of showing that you don't get the point of god or religion. You should think about all that stuff, it makes you a better person.

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:18 pm

rudel_ic wrote:Saying god is an invention doesn't prove anything. God is of course made up by humans - in a way. But what was made up is there to explain things like where we all come from, what the source of all being is, why there's life and death, what strings the world together, why the heck laws of physics exist and so on.

You can't prove he exists either...you can believe he/she exists, but you can't prove with hard evidence that there is a God. I know people will say that they can prove God exists with evidence, but for something to exist, it needs believers...so "God" exists for some and doesn't for others...

To sum it up, calling religion stupid or god made up is a way of showing that you don't get the point of god or religion. You should think about all that stuff, it makes you a better person.

Just because someone calls religion stupid or says that "God" is made up doesn't mean that they don't understand religion.

Really, someone can think religion is stupid and God doesn't exist or that God does exist and that religion is the savior of all people...as long as they respect another person's beliefs and thoughts...which can be hard if they conflict I know...but it's possible.

I, for example, think in theory, religion is a nice idea, it gives people something to believe in, it gives people hope, but it also gives people a scapegoat (The Devil made me do it...), and a way to oppress others (I kill you in the name of God...). As for God, I believe he's somethign made up to give people hope and explain why some things happen. "God" can be a shield for the desperate and those in need (It's God's will...This is what He wants...etc...)...but it's not the only way. What makes religions oppressive isn't the religion itself...but the people who believe in it. The one's who twist it to their own uses and hide behind it because it's something you can't strike out at or kill. As for God, since I have no religion I "belong to", it's just something that people believe in...if you believe in it enough, you'll start seeing things that you think was "God's will", or "God's miracles"...can I prove this? No. But I don't have to prove my opinion's to anyone do I?

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:25 pm

well NickD, we all know I was Telling a Joke to lighten things up, Not in order to prove something. and going back to your point on being religious, believing in a god, or suffering dose not make you religious.

oh, and Yes BWS, I did.

and Rudel and Grey, I believe you make bloody good points.
I am genuinely impressed with those words.

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:42 pm

Grayswandir wrote:…but for something to exist, it needs believers...so "God" exists for some and doesn't for others...

That's part of my beliefs, too.

Post by **David** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:53 pm

NickD wrote:And I think the way I think cause I was brouht up that way. I can never change it. And I never WANT to change it.

Did you ever consider what would have happened if you were brought up in a religous household? If you are not at all receptive to other ideas, then you are no more justified in your beliefs than a religious fundamentalist.

I think rudel_ic has the right idea here; even if you do not believe religions are correct, it is important to understand why they are such an important force in history and in the modern world.

Post by **Jeff** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:05 am

God is of course made up by humans - in a way. But what was made up is there to explain things like where we all come from, what the source of all being is, why there's life and death, what strings the world together, why the heck laws of physics exist and so on.

The thing is that God just makes things more complicated. Once you assert that God made the laws of physics, etc. the obvious question is "Who made God?" To which people answer, "Oh, God doesn't need a creator! He just IS!"

Why is it so hard to accept that the universe just IS and doesn't need an explanation, when you are perfectly willing to accept that some magical man created the entire universe, oh and by the way, this magical man just IS and doesn't need an explanation.

Colicedus wrote:Can you prove that he is invented?

Why is the burden of proof suddenly on the real world to prove that the supernatural world doesn't exist? That is completely backwards and impossible. Can you prove that the all powerful, yet undetectable purple unicorn isn't real? Once you start believing in supernatural phenomena with no evidence, where do you draw the line?

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:27 am

Jeff wrote:Can you prove that the all powerful, yet undetectable purple unicorn isn't real?

The all powerful, yet undetectable purple unicorn leers at me in my sleep....really, I know it is...it makes faces at me while I'm sleeping.