ghosts and the paranormal

zatoichi · Post by **zatoichi** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:16 pm

But wouldn't you already have gone back in time, therefore putting yourself on the second timeline in the first place?

Ragdollmaster · Post by **Ragdollmaster** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:27 pm

But you can't manipulate time, so you can't go back into the past in the first place gray.

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:28 pm

Ragdollmaster wrote:But you can't manipulate time, so you can't go back into the past in the first place gray.

Says who? You don't know that...

Ragdollmaster · Post by **Ragdollmaster** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:31 pm

Grayswandir wrote:
Ragdollmaster wrote:But you can't manipulate time, so you can't go back into the past in the first place gray.
Says who? You don't know that...

The manipulation of time is a concept that humans, even computers, cannot understand- for instance how would you do it in the first place? We are progressing in technology slower then you think- in the 50's scientists thought we would have hover cars in 50 years. That time line was 7 years ago, and there's nothing close to hover cars developed today.

Crill3 · Post by **Crill3** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:02 pm

Well, then, screw hover cars

Anyway, what do you mean with not being able to understand the concept.
Sure we understand the concept, we're just not quite sure how to do it yet.
I believe that if time exist in that way, we will eventually be able to
manipulate it, given enough (hehe) time.

Quantum mechanics is cool

Quantum mechanics makes YOU cool

Yeah

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:44 pm

Grayswandir wrote:If you went back in the past, the "present" for you would get "erased" and a new "timeline" would be created. So you could go back, just not forward again, because you'd be on an entirely different path.

i concur because if you went back in time, it was already meant to happen, thus changing nothing

Spartan X · Post by **Spartan X** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:54 pm

it should be impossible to travel back or forward in time, especially if you saw yourself because you would break the space time continum by creating a time paradox

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:32 pm

Spartan X wrote:it should be impossible to travel back or forward in time, especially if you saw yourself because you would break the space time continum by creating a time paradox

But you can't create a paradox because seriously...if you saw yourself in the past...what the hell is that going to do? Break your mind? As I stated you'd create a new timeline completely seperate from the original...
Lets see if I can diagram it:

Original Timeline ------| where you went back to |-----------| when you went back |----------> original timeline continues
New timeline ----| where you went back to |------------> new events

It just creates a fork, it doesn't actually change anything for the original timeline.

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:02 pm

but then you would have to go back in time to before you went back in time to stop yourself from altering the timeline to make it normal again...

bu seriously, you're all retarded...you can't shatter your mind by seeing yourself, because it would shatter the minds of both sides because both sides are you, thus killing you in an unnatural manner and shattering reality...because if you killed your past self, then reality would shatter...you wouldn't just disappear because at that moment, you would exist in the same time and place that you killed your past self, not in your own time, where if you were at that time, you would die

and really, if you were to go back in time, there's always the possibility that nothing would happen to the present because in my ideas, there are two things i believe:
1. if you were to go back in time, the present would not be altered because you were already meant to go back in time.
2. time constantly repeats itself, there are timelines that run next to eachother that when a collision occurs, weird shit happens...so basically, it would look like:

timeline A ---1999---2000---
timeline B 1999---2000---

with one behind the other but then there are diffent dimensions of reality, some that a normal human would be inable to explore without the help of a "super"natural being...

what i never got is how something can be supernatural if it exists in the first place and is created by nature...

ghosts exist, too, they may actually help keep the balance between living and dead, thus making them 4th dimensional creatures but natural nonetheless...what I don't know is whether they are able to communicate with humans...i still think that you have to witness and know death before you can see them...that or you have to live in a haunted area...

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:36 pm

Really, this is ALL theory, so calling people stupid doesn't really do anything.
Anyway, let me see if I can give a better example...
Lets say this event involves you, your wife, and your two friends. Out of anger you kill your wife. Years later, feeling guilty, you decide to go back in time (using a machine, your mind or a spork) and kill yourself so you won't kill your wife...so here's what happens. At the point YOU go back in time, you disappear from that timeline. To your friends, you're gone and won't ever come back, but they'll keep living and continuing their lives in THAT timeline...with you gone and your wife dead. You on the other hand will go back, already creating a new timeline and kill yourself. This creates an entirely new and SEPERATE timeline that continues on from there. So now you have two seperate timelines going on...and no matter what happens in either one, they never intersect.

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:15 pm

i'm thinking we've got the same idea and collision issues...i'm now thinking that it's collision between dimensions, not timelines...

but seriously, here's a different way to see it:
You A
You B

so say You A lives in the year 2022, and You B lives in the year 1997. Say in 2022 there was some way invented to travel through time. If You A went back to the year 1997 to stop himself from killing a friend by killing himself, You A would exist without You B because You A now exists in 1997 but because of the death of You B, You A would now replace You B to prevent a time fluctuation thus making the course of events "normal" to everyone else (in other words, the dead one disappears). But here's a different way of seeing things. Say that there are 2 timelines that follow the "normal" course of events up until You A were to travel back in time, where as the 2 timelines would be opposed to eachother whereas in Timeline 1 you went back in time and crossed over into Timeline 2 where you didn't go back in time, thus keeping options open. Even though this happens, there is still a cycle of events that happens over and over because of the universe resetting time in certain timelines when the universe in fact comes to an end.

But to keep it simple, a time fluctuation would have to occur for you to go back in time in the first place...so, a time fluctuation happening at the time of you killing yourself might put you back in a position before that happened, thus making the current flow of events regular. No machine could ever make you go back in time. Period.

Grayswandir · Post by **Grayswandir** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:21 pm

See the thing is, you're trying to look at things in a relative manner. Time fluctuates...don't compare one timeline or "dimension" to another, they're completely seperate and don't affect each other. Makes it easier to understand...Also, you couldn't jump from say timeline A to timeline B...since they're on entirely different paths now. If you tried to go to the past again, you'd just be creating timeline C.

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:36 pm

not necessarily...because if Timline C ended up just like Timeline A, then essentially, it is A...and going back in time should have no affect on the time line...because if you were infact forced into a fluctuation, it would have already happened on another timeline, thus making it regular...here's how I see it:

Timeline 1 (the original, sets the path for others and others try to follow it)
Timeline A (may differ slightly from 1)
B, C, D, etc, etc
Timeline Z (is the most different from 1 and is defective, almost)

but essentially, all of the timelines happen at the same time on he same plane and reset when no more is to be told...OH MY GOD!!! I KNOW WHAT GHOSTS ARE....GHOSTS ARE THE TRANSPARENT IMAGES OF OTHER TIMELINES THAT SOMEHOW SLIP INTO OUR TIMELINE!!! because of this, the images are fractured and somewhat invisible but the appear when tme fluctuates, thus causing the imprint of the image to stay until the fluctuation is over...which explains disappearances...and then why they can be tracked by heat is because they are the fluctuated imprint of a living human in another timeline...but why do we see ghosts of all types you ask? with all the different timelines, being in different eras and all, when time fluctuates to those eras, then we see the imprints of its citizens...and the so called haunted houses have more fluctuation occuring...but time can never transport you completely to another timeline, because it would mess up that timeline...I wonder if...we're ghosts in another timeline...there may be a timeline for every moment of existence...

zatoichi · Post by **zatoichi** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:59 pm

I still say that you can't go back in the past and change anything because you would already have done that. In my opinion there's no need for a forked timeline if you just accept that anything that you would change in the past, you already have, otherwise you wouldn't change it.

Blorx wrote:ghosts exist, too, they may actually help keep the balance between living and dead, thus making them 4th dimensional creatures but natural nonetheless...what I don't know is whether they are able to communicate with humans...i still think that you have to witness and know death before you can see them...that or you have to live in a haunted area...

I watched my grandmother die, and I've never experienced anything I would characterize as "ghost-like". And I've explored a lot of creepy abandoned buildings too.

As for the hover cars, check out this link: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3398892

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:07 am

zatoichi wrote:I still say that you can't go back in the past and change anything because you would already have done that. In my opinion there's no need for a forked timeline if you just accept that anything that you would change in the past, you already have, otherwise you wouldn't change it.

I think I've said that same thing a few times in the midst of it all...but i still think that there are more than one timeline...