Vespabros wrote:But the "Problem" arises when they start getting carried away and "throw women under the bus". Sure, it's a dirty tactic, but it makes them more money. Can you really blame them for just wanting to make more money?
I understand why things are like they are, but dislike the status quo. I'd like to see things change, and to change it, because I think it's both a good thing and will help the industry as a whole make more money.
How many examples would be enough for you to think "token female characters" still are prevalent?
Well, how many examples of strong female roles would be enough for you to think "token female characters" aren't prevalent?
I'll come back to it if I ever come up with a satisfying answer.
I don't think we need any statistics for this one...but most straight men do, and that's why they're an effective feature when marketing to men, considering the majority of men are straight.
"I believe there are an equal amount of stereotypes towards both men an women yet not an equal amount of effort to stop them."
Of course it works, but it should still pointed out when it becomes a generalization about all men!
I believe there are an equal amount of stereotypes towards both men an women yet not an equal amount of effort to stop them. My problem with feminism is that they only pay attention to half of the problem.
Some feminists think the problem is best solved by helping everyone, but yes, many only focus on one half of the problem. That's not an evil
thing to do, though.
When you say it's a problem, what exactly do you mean? We're trying to do good, but we're not helping out a cause you think is more worthy. We hear that a lot. "Ebola is more important, you should fix that first" etc.
I can understand that you disagree on the importance of this movement, but I can't accept that as a reason to hinder a good cause. I don't know if you meant that or not.
I agree that a bad cause can and maybe even should be hindered, but I don't see how "we want to help these other people" as a bad thing.
I like to consider myself an open minded individual, what did they say in particular that made you change your views?
Any single point didn't convince me of much, but after I had known them for a while when I thought of feminism I remembered the discussions I had had with them, and not the quotes and claims of ridiculouss one-sidedness I had seen on the internet. So basically they weren't this:
But, much like communism, in practice there is corruption and people take advantage of certain things. Feminism now to many people has become putting down men and protecting women even more. Yes, there are still some cases where women aren't given the same rights, but there are also some cases where men don't have the same rights.
The discussions I had with them were admittedly VERY HEATED quite often, but as I came to understand their viewpoint I realized why they reacted very strongly to certain issues I had no idea about. And at some point I realized I agree with them, so I started thinking of myself as a feminist. The discussions got heated because I had basically been butting my head into their discussions without knowing what the discussion was about, because I was missing the context. Basically I had been this sealion:
- [+] Sealion
Isn't this what the ESRB "sexual themes" warning is for? As for indie games, sure, they can mention that there are sexual themes in the game, but taking off points for it is not fair. It's too subjective.
A review is a the reviewer's subjective opinion on the game. In my opinion, whether the reviewed game is fun and interesting should give about 50% of the final score
, the rest being such things such as visuals, mechanics, how it compares to other games, amount of content etc.
ESRB shouldn't replace the review. Again, I believe that the review is subjective. If the reviewer doesn't like something, that should be mentioned EVEN IF there's an ESRB mark on the game itself.
For example, 'Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including “bathroom” humor' - humour is very subjective, and a reviewer might find the jokes either hilarious, praising the game for being the funniest game of the year. In a differet case, a reviewer might find that the jokes fall flat and feel forced, making the gameplay experience that much worse.
"The Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) ratings provide concise and objective information about the content in video games and apps so consumers, especially parents, can make informed choices."