defenseless...

[Ozymandias]

If that is all settled I hope we can get back to the topic at hand. I know that if that stuff happened to me I would be scared to piss and run away, but you didn't. You've got balls =)

Now, do these people know you? do they know where you live and where to find you etc? because that would be very very bad.

[Ragdollmaster]

If you decide to carry a weapon with you, know how to use it and how to prevent it from being taken away and used against you. I've seen people trying to use knives by holding them upright and slashing with the tip, and I'm like, "What the hell? Are you trying to give the other guy a paper cut?"

If you take up a martial art, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and anything that sounds like bullshit will be bullshit. These fighting styles are completely useless in true combat situations and even counter-productive; you'll try to keep a certain discipline that will deliver minimal damage unless the other guy does exactly what you want him to do, and then when you start getting countered, you lose all self-control and start flailing around until you're on the floor bleeding from several different orifices. Learn a versatile style of combat where you'll be able to take out at least one threat, which can turn the tables. Eg, if those 'gangsters' see you break someone's arm and hold a knife to their throat, they may think twice before they try acting tough again. So, you need something that's practical, short, sweet, and to the point; being able to prance around like an Asian druggie will not help. At best, you might trip in the middle of a complex maneuver of a traditional martial art and end up falling on someone. Many newer martial arts that focus on modern combat and practicality, like Krav Maga for instance, are extremely useful for self-defense.

Hope this helps. Also! Improvisation is key to gaining the advantage in many combat situations. Even if you become fairly good at a combat discipline, you won't always be a Bruce Lee replica. If one guy pulls out a knife, you pick up a fucking chair or smash a beer bottle and get ready to slash his wrist open. K?

[Richie Rabbit]

What if guns are used? martial arts is trash compared to a bullet.

[Ragdollmaster]

Ah, no, not necessarily. Be more specific. What if a gun is pointed at you? What then? Depends on how far away the shooter is. What if someone grabs you from behind and sticks a gun to the side of your head? It all varies. If you're picked off by a sniper, then no amount of combat training will give you some kind of premonition or instinctual thought that tells you to duck because a bullet is about to help you. If there's an idiot pointing a gun at you for the first time in his life, you can probably do something about it.

However, blood-shard is talking about fighting, in the physical sense, so I responded for situations pertaining to that and that alone. To quote one of most awesome people of all time, "Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon."* You can't always depend on a knife or gun in a fight, and likewise, you can't always depend on your fists and fighting skills; but it's better to know how to fight in a practical and structured manner rather than hoping you never have to.

*In extension, anyone who knows who said that is automatically awesome.

[blood-shard]

If you decide to carry a weapon with you, know how to use it and how to prevent it from being taken away and used against you. I've seen people trying to use knives by holding them upright and slashing with the tip, and I'm like, "What the hell? Are you trying to give the other guy a paper cut?"

If you take up a martial art, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and anything that sounds like bullshit will be bullshit. These fighting styles are completely useless in true combat situations and even counter-productive; you'll try to keep a certain discipline that will deliver minimal damage unless the other guy does exactly what you want him to do, and then when you start getting countered, you lose all self-control and start flailing around until you're on the floor bleeding from several different orifices. Learn a versatile style of combat where you'll be able to take out at least one threat, which can turn the tables. Eg, if those 'gangsters' see you break someone's arm and hold a knife to their throat, they may think twice before they try acting tough again. So, you need something that's practical, short, sweet, and to the point; being able to prance around like an Asian druggie will not help. At best, you might trip in the middle of a complex maneuver of a traditional martial art and end up falling on someone. Many newer martial arts that focus on modern combat and practicality, like Krav Maga for instance, are extremely useful for self-defense.

Hope this helps. Also! Improvisation is key to gaining the advantage in many combat situations. Even if you become fairly good at a combat discipline, you won't always be a Bruce Lee replica. If one guy pulls out a knife, you pick up a fucking chair or smash a beer bottle and get ready to slash his wrist open. K?

all i know how to use is a katana and you aint bringing a big ass blade whit you out into the street. i know alittle jiu jitsu but ive never had the balls to use it :/ by the way xD im a nerd xD ive heard the quote "only a fool trusts his life to a weapon" in mgs by frank jeager or grey fox as some prefer xD sorry i couldent handle it ._. all im good at is sitting on my skinny ass infront of a pc.richie's right

[Ragdollmaster]

Work out. It's easier than you expect. If you don't have weights and don't want to go to the gym, try push-ups. Start small, do about 50 a day, evenly spaced out to 10 at a time, and then progress to 60 a day, spaced out at 15 at a time, and keep on increasing the intensity while decreasing the frequency until you can pull off a lot of push ups at once. It doesn't take very long, maybe a month or two, before you see significant results. You won't be Rambo, but you'll be able to see your muscles without flexing them. Besides, small people aren't necessarily weak. My old Krav Maga instructor was only 5'5", a full 8 inches shorter than me and probably half my weight, but he was able to disarm me when he asked me to take a swing at him with a wooden blade. I ended up on the floor with an almost dislocated shoulder, and I was like Don't let your size discourage you. Avoid getting into a situation that involves grappling, where that will be a big disadvantage.

[Richie Rabbit]

xD no im not right you are more then just that! wow! you're just lacking in confidence that's all. I myself am a skinny feminine looking guy ( i hate myself for typing that lol ) Iv been in LOTS of fight believe it or not i got 3 of my permanent teeth shattered,i have 2 scars on my left shoulder from some random gangster that attacked me once when walking home from school who i sent to the hospital by plucking out one of his eye balls with a fu_king pen,i was jumped by 3 drunk guys in a bar i ended up with a bloody lip & nose ( THE PAIN SUCKED!) so yeah.. being weak & skinny is not always a bad thing.. i mean.. have you ever been hit by bone? xD

[Endoperez]

If you take up a martial art, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Kung Fu, and anything that sounds like bullshit will be bullshit. These fighting styles are completely useless in true combat situations and even counter-productive

I have seen one traditional martial art teacher who really knew his stuff (Dan Docherty of Practical Tai Chi Chuan). I guess that's the exception that proves the rule.
Martial sports are not what you want. Modern martial arts are probably your best bet, but even then you should check it out first to see if it's what you need and if the teacher even understands what you are after. I understand krav maga at least has things that teach you to always look around you. If you can't get away when two people grab you, learn to see them before they can grab you, etc. The first lesson should already teach you something useful, if the teacher is teaching what you want.

Knives and guns have a big downside not yet mentioned: if you pull one out, the other guy will also take out any weapons he has.

all i know how to use is a katana and you aint bringing a big ass blade whit you out into the street. i know alittle jiu jitsu but ive never had the balls to use it :/ by the way xD im a nerd xD ive heard the quote "only a fool trusts his life to a weapon" in mgs by frank jeager or grey fox as some prefer xD sorry i couldent handle it ._. all im good at is sitting on my skinny ass infront of a pc.

I tried getting to sleep, but just reading about this made it impossible. Reading about it happening that close (even though Finland isn't even that close) is really shocking and little scary, and you went through it. And while you went through it, you didn't just sit on that skinny ass. You tried something, and the trying is impressive even if you didn't have the tools. I don't know what I'd have done. I don't know if I could have done anything. What you feel after doesn't matter nearly as much as what you did then, be proud.

I guess you're still shocked; talk to people, get your cuts treated, write down what they looked like and everything else you can remember. Tell the police even if you don't think it will help. Don't do anything drastic until you've had time to think things over. You don't know them, so they won't know you. All the good to you.

[Richie Rabbit]

I find it ridiculous that the cops wont help him that's just retarded..If i told the cops about something like that & they wont help Id would have them loose their jobs! even if i have to sue them for whatever reason id do it I don't tolerate laziness coming from an law enforcer. No sir.

It's like the stuff i see on the news some people report to cops about violent moments & they ask the cops for help the cops would tell them just to relax its over blah blah blah then 2 or 3 days later that same cop is on the news talkin about that very same person that asked for help who is now shot to death.

[TheBigCheese]

My advice would be to try to avoid getting yourself in these situations. If a gang does burst into a party, you should get the hell out of there. Better to run than get hurt trying to fight.

If you're unable to get out just try to stay out of the way, and sneak out when possible.

[Untadaike]

My advice would be to try to avoid getting yourself in these situations. If a gang does burst into a party, you should get the hell out of there. Better to run than get hurt trying to fight.

If you're unable to get out just try to stay out of the way, and sneak out when possible.

I agree 100%. Sorry that I don't have opinions to help you myself. I'm young and sheltered, so I have no experience whatsoever in these types of situations with which to give advice. All I can do is give you the best of luck the next time anything like this comes up again.

[Ragdollmaster]

I want to reiterate something I said in my first post: Pick up a fucking chair. Seriously. Just swing it at someone's head and let go of it. You may as well record yourself shouting "BOOM! HEADSHOT" for the occasion in advance.

[invertin]

I am MEGA SORRY if i got you upset in anyway blood-shard its just i just can't comprehend what you are doing it blows my mind! really man get real help & yes its still okay that you asked us i'd would do the same if i was you.

look im only asking on this forum because some people whit just a bit of I.Q like (ren,lotus,ragdoll master etc:) allways has allot of good responses. they dont just mouth off whit allot of bullshit

Well I'm full of bullshit, but just make sure you're with friends or a crowd or whatever. Even if they did attack you when you had some friends with you, they'd hopefully help out (depending on how scary these guys are and how awesome your friends are).

I'm sorry that I can't really help with these kind of things, like I said, I'm full of bullshit.

[Silliness because I can't be serious without silliness] I activated the bat signal to get you some help, but he's not listening to me. D: [/silliness because etc.]

[Count Roland]

I'd definitely say;
1. Tell the police, doesn't matter if you think they're going to ignore you, give enough details that they shouldn't dispute it, it won't hurt anyway.
2. Tell your friends and family, obviously with more people knowing about it it would be more difficult for them to get away with anything.
3. Work out, besides the health benefits this will generally help your coordination and the likelyhood of you winning a fight. it just takes some determination
4. Understand how your body works and use it to your advantage, kicking someone in the shins is gonna be less effective then hitting them in the head pretty much 100% of the time. one interesting fact is that the head is sometimes, at least I find, the most useful weapon you have, because it is closer to their's, you'll feel the least pain if you hit them with the forehead, and they don't usually expect it. they'll usually anticipate a punch or a kick, and a punch to the face has a long way to go to get there, and a kick to the face has even longer.
5. Size doesn't matter, this can't be emphasized enough, believe it or not it's actually easier for a smaller person to put on muscle and get stronger then a large person. One of my favorite stories is my friend jason, who was shorter then most people, had his first day at a new high school, and this "G" decided he didn't like him, so he punched him in the ear (had on a big ring that ripped up jasons ear something awful) anyway to shorten things up a bit, jason broke his nose, both his arms, and one leg, before throwing him through a window. another favorite is when this 7' tall Football player threatened to rape my friend nick's sister. so nick went to the guys job (coincidentally a health club) and smashed him up pretty bad out in the parking lot, which you wouldn't expect since nick was 12 years old and something like 5' at the time.

[blood-shard]

thx everyone... i wont accept another outcome of such situations as my last one. Your responses are a great help. talking to people over the net you dont know is sometimes easyer than to the locals