Drugs Should Have Harm Index? Alcohol Ranked 5th?

[Renegade_Turner]

Ahh, the same rule applies, some bar owners over here are actually decent people, and if they see someone going too far they'll put a stop to it and not serve them anymore.

Also, most bouncers will refuse you entry if you're legless. Drunk people are generally more likely to lose their head at someone and start fists flying.

There's no obligation to, though. Some just do.

[kehaar]

I also drink from a beaker, and limit myself to 200 mL of sake (15% alcohol by volume, so 30 mL). I bought the beaker legitimately online from VWR, and did not swipe it from the lab. It matches well with my periodic table of the elements shower curtain.

hAHAHA --so you can have a refreshing beverage while you shower? Hey, that sounds pretty good after a stressful day at the lab bench...

But seriously, on the OT, the worst aspect of ignoring the actual damage levels of various drugs is that kids figure it out pretty quick, and then they think they are just being manipulated and lied to again every time a grownup tries to warn them of real danger.

When I was a kid, I heard pot was an extremely dangerous "gateway" drug-- that is, the drug kids start with that seems benign, but leads them to try other harder drugs, the start of the slippery slope to heroin addiction, robbery, rape, prison, overdose, death, bad teeth, etc.

Well, no shit.

Because the very first thing any kid does is a little research, tries the pot, and immediately realises it's so far less damaging than alcohol that comparing the two is is simply stupid, or worse yet is a straight up lie. Nobody likes ignorant, bullying authorities, and nobody likes being lied to.
I actually heard kids say about REALLY dangerous drugs like meth and heroin, "Ah, that's just the same old bullshit they always tell you."

[Renegade_Turner]

...the start of the slippery slope to heroin addiction, robbery, rape, prison, overdose, death, bad teeth, etc.

I like how you started off with the consequences gradually becoming more severe, but then placed "bad teeth" after overdose and death.

You make a valid point though. It's the age-old concept of the boy who cried wolf. If you were lying the first time, people aren't going to believe you the next time even if you're really telling the truth this time. In this case, the authorities being the "boy(s) who cried wolf", e.g. parents, the police, the government etc. So that could lead to a child trying a somewhat (I repeat, somewhat) trivial drug such as cannabis, and reasoning that if cannabis isn't as bad as is really believed, other drugs such as crystal meth, heroin and cocaine must not be so bad after all either. That's when the problems start. They were right to reclassify the drugs, but the reclassification went in the wrong direction...or possibly on the wrong drug. Either the class of cannabis should be made less severe (i.e. legalised), or the class of tobacco and alcohol should be made more severe (i.e. illegalised).

I'll create a poll to see what the people of the forum think.

Edit: I created the poll. Despite the harms caused by alcohol, tobacco and cannabis, I'm pro-choice in the sense that I'm in favour of people having the right to choose whether or not to engage in the taking of such drugs.

Obviously in medicinal cases I'd be in favour of them regardless of whether or not I thought they should be legalised or illegalised for recreational purposes. Maybe that's not obvious to everyone, but it's obvious enough to me that cannabis and alcohol, and maybe tobacco to some extent, have provided help in medicinal cases.

Edit #2: I edited the poll options to include two branches of poll choices for users who think the age limit for when you are allowed to consume legal drugs should be either 18 or 21, but it then occurred to me that this dilutes the poll options too much, so I have removes the references to age and am going to start a new thread addressing the issue of the age at which drug consumption should become legal.

[Renegade_Turner]

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[Fournine]

Looks like a spammer to me. One post with a link, and it leads into a rehab site?

[kevin nisute]

Totally pro cannabis and against alcohol and don't think you can ban tobacco if you legalize cannabis so i chose the 4th option. Not perfect admittedly..

[annemary100]

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[joshuab]

Even though you legalize or illegalize the drugs or alcohol or tobacco...
People tend to move towards it if they find a single loop hole..
So instead of making legal and illegal, people should be educated well enough to understand the causes and effect it brings on to him and his family, thereby making them realize the severity of drugs/alcohol/tobacco.

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[Fournine]

Even though you legalize or illegalize the drugs or alcohol or tobacco...
People tend to move towards it if they find a single loop hole..
So instead of making legal and illegal, people should be educated well enough to understand the causes and effect it brings on to him and his family, thereby making them realize the severity of drugs/alcohol/tobacco.

Drug Rehab

Reasonable, but badly worded. I believe we've discussed the importance of education ad nauseum in the thread already. Also, how is there a "loop hole" if it's legal? That's like saying there's a breach in the fortress when the gates are open.

Oh, and please stop raiding this thread to promote your drug rehab clinic. It makes me more inclined to burn it down than use it.
Incidentally, anyone know a good rehab clinic for arson? /sarcasm

[Fournine]

Right. I'm deleting these "Drug Rehab" posts as they come in.
If this continues, I'll just lock this topic temporarily.