Y'know, this wasn't ever really a debate. There was never a contest to be won. In an essence you're both losers for disputing over who won a pissing match.
It started with Ren bitching over generic IT help always blanketing "it's a driver problem - update your drivers." He even hung a lantern illuminating it was merely a rant.
Tokage made the valid point that many issues are minor, overlooked problems, including driver issues. Then he stated that he found driver issues to be a more frequently the needed fix for his issues.
Ren countered with an exasperated sigh that he wasn't an idiot. Reading under this, I assume he was stating that he only goes to IT help after he exhausts common issues, such as drivers, unplugged cords, and peanut butter stuck in the intrinsic field inverter.
He then explained that his rant was due to IT help assuming everyone, including him, was an idiot.
Tokage misinterpreted Ren's statements, claiming he claimed that IT shouldn't tell people the simple fixes, merely because Ren didn't consider himself an idiot, and thus not a target for the advice. Therefore, Ren had no reason to write a rant.
Ren stated that removing the blanket statement wasn't his aim, and that he was justified in ranting about it because - as a superior being - being condoned to with a blanket comment for idiots was insulting.
Tokage made quotes, implying a contradiction in Ren's statements by quoting the topic title - which is a summary or attention-getting label, not necessarily an assertion - and a latter comment that followed logically within the context of the discussion.
Ren stated that Tokage's attempt at pointing out a contradiction was foolish.
Ren explained that he had cooled down since his original rant and the latter quote.
Tokage proclaimed himself the winner of an imaginary debate, because Ren relented to one point of contest on tech support policy, thereby invoking Danth's Law:
Danth’s Law (also known as Parker’s Law)
States: “If you have to insist that you've won an internet argument, you've probably lost badly.” Named after a user on the role-playing gamers’ forum RPG.net.
Danth’s Law was most famously declared in “The Lenski Affair”, between microbiologist Richard Lenski and the editor of Conservapedia.com, Andrew Schlafly, who cast doubt upon Prof Lenski’s elegant experimental demonstration of evolution.
After what is widely held to be one of the greatest and most comprehensive put-downs in scientific argument from Prof Lenski, Mr Schlafly declared himself the winner. [
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Ren stated he was a superior human being for having realized a change within himself.
I wrote a ballad in parody. Gray restated a desire to claim Ren's children - probably for making meat sauce. Ragdoll pointed out the hopelessness of attempting to debate with Ren.
Tokage resurrected what should've been a dead thread, in an attempt to reassert his dominance within a minor pissing match within a pointless-threads category within a forum for an indie game.
Then I wrote a summary in attempt to end this pointless crap, mostly because I'm avoiding doing actual work and partly because I thought it would be amusing to write.
TL;DR - shut up, all of you.