What's your opinion on this?

[zoidberg rules]

Not really, I'm just trying to discourage the argument, since I know that it has caused a lot of trouble to me personally whilst trying to debate it in school, that's right, in my spare time, I game, play guitar, and debate current philosophical issues.

[invertin]

I never really understood why nobody liked the second arc of the story. L just died, sure, but Light is still alive, you can't expect a series called "Death Note" to end before the main protagonist is dead.

They had a dynamic going that Near vs. Light couldn't pull off. Either that or it was because it just started getting silly.

But it wasn't Near vs. Light. It was the three way battle between Mello, Near and Light. Judging from that response I think most DN fans expected another L, and when they didn't get that, they weren't happy. But if we did get another L, it would've been the same, and it would've been boring.

And what do you mean by "it started getting silly"?

[Renegade_Turner]

I was being sarcastic you narcissistic prick, I am more than aware of the fact that we will not all agree on this subject, and this argument is the perfect proof of that fact.

Lol you're such a spastic. Use your indoor voice, child, you're speaking to a superior officer. Anyway, if you want to pussy out of a debate because you're saying "This isn't a nice argument!" then guess what sunshine, like I said, this isn't Sesame Street, cut out trying to get everyone to play nice. Please proceed to the children's playpen, where all the soft plastic balls will ensure you don't come to any harm.

And my point was that it was originally done by the Japanese and MY OPINION was that it wouldn't feel the same done by Americans.

lolotaku japanophilia

[Sandurz]

Ren, please stop making flamey arguments where there weren't any. That is all.

[zoidberg rules]

Thank you Sandurz.

[invertin]

Zoid you weren't exactly the paragon of matureness there either.

...I made that phrase up to make a point.

Doesn't matter. Opinions are opinions. They're all stupid from someone's point of view, doesn't mean anyone should get angry about it.

[Renegade_Turner]

Ren, please stop making flamey arguments where there weren't any. That is all.

Kid, what are you on about? This guy started moaning about people having differences of opinions in a debate, so I put him in his place. If he didn't want a serious discussion about it he shouldn't have asked for people's opinions. Maybe he should of said "What do you think about this? Only provide an opinion if it runs parallel to mine." You're like the nagging voice constantly pulling at my sleeves. I have a girlfriend for that, I don't need you pointing your vagina in my direction too.

[Sandurz]

I asked nicely and in one sentence....I got a paragraph of flaming shit in return. How lovely. I don't give a shit if you give your opinion or not, I'd prefer it if you'd be nice and not derail every topic you disagree with.

[Renegade_Turner]

Umm? Every topic I disagree with? I don't disagree with the topic. I disagreed with his stance on the topic, i.e. "Japan is Jesus, all hail Godzilla". He just decided to be a vagina about it.

I'm not sure how this was me derailing a topic anyway. It was more him than anything else. My arguments were based on the subject matter of the topic. You also seem to have formed a vagina.

[Catmentra]

Yammer yammer yammer, bah humbug they're not adapting this piece how I wanted.

Jesus Christ, you haven't even SEEN them yet. At least wait until then.

For example, I was very much so looking forward to seeing The Golden Compass, upon which moment I realised they'd completely changed it by taking out the tragic ending of the first book to make it a happy ending. At least I WATCHED the fucking thing before bitching about it.

What is this, some kind of Americans-can't-do-it-right-only-the-Japanese-can. What should they do instead, employ children with gigantic eyes and no hair on their body other than their head? That's like giving out about them adapting Spiderman because Tobey Maguire wasn't really bitten by a radioactive spider.

So what, the main guy has a beard and Light didn't? Light was so effeminate I really questioned whether or not he had a vagina. Maybe they should have employed Cillian Murphy or Jonathan Rhys Meyers, they're good at looking like women.

To be honest, I could not agree more, I don't see why everyone has to instantly say that the film is going to be bad JUST because it has an American Cast. Chillax, and wait. If you don't like the movie (if it ever gets made) - thats your opinion. Some of us don't really want to hear you people bitch and moan about who's right and wrong.

[Grayswandir]

[But it wasn't Near vs. Light. It was the three way battle between Mello, Near and Light. Judging from that response I think most DN fans expected another L, and when they didn't get that, they weren't happy.

They felt generic, and a bit like they were trying to top the whole L thing, but overdoing it. Personally, L annoyed me...but then a lot of the characters in Death Note annoyed me.

But if we did get another L, it would've been the same, and it would've been boring.

They were pretty much L clones, but acted weirder and tried to be more dramatic.

And what do you mean by "it started getting silly"?

I felt that it was getting stupid, overblown, and it felt goofy, I couldn't get into it.

[Assaultman67]

The problem with movies that use a already set in stone plot is that in general they're treated as income fodder by directors and production companies because to be honest the movie script doesn't interest them in the least bit ... but they know that if they produce a cheap movie from a series that already has an existing tried and true audience it is sure to bring in a quick buck.

Doom
Dragonball Z
Speed Racer
Far Cry
Hitman
Max Payne

I imagine death note will fall under this list ... it depends on if the director and production company actually like the story, or if they're planning to get a quick buck

Even some popular films get a bit ravaged ...

Star Wars (people fucking hate jar jar binks and there isn't a single person in the world who would say that the newest movies beat the older ones)
Indiana Jones (Aliens? :/ )


However, if the story has been tried and true, yet the popularity is low (due to a large amount of time) they will put more effort into releasing a quality product because they can't depend on automatic fanboy bucks.

Most movie remakes and superhero movies fall under this category ...

To be honest, It really bugs me that they're doing a cowboy bebop remake, simply because there wasn't really a short-term plot in the original series that would really draw someone in for 2 hours plus the artwork was fucking fantastic ... if they change their visions of the "future" for budgets sake it won't be nearly as appealing to me.

The good news is that only a minority of Americans know what "cowboy bebop" is, so they can't heavily rely on automatic fanboy bucks.

(on a side note, there are 75 movie remakes currently being made. Which kinda shows there is definitely money in remaking popular stories or whoring out popular series)

[invertin]

To be fair to Hitman, it was actually a pretty good film. The only problem was that it had nothing to do with the actual Hitman series. If you just watch it as an action movie, it's okay.

[zoidberg rules]

Yeah, I agree, I never liked Hitman that much as a spinoff of the game, but now that I think about it as a stand-alone action film, it is pretty good. Also, I have heard rumours that companies are competing for the rights to a Mass Effect movie after the third game has been released. Now, I'm sure you're all aware of the level of fanboy promotion and pointless mentioning of Mass Effect that I do (hell the fact that I mentioned it here is actual proof of that fact)...where was I?

Oh screw it, people wanna make a Mass Effect movie, they better make it well, and have good continuity from the series of games, or else I will hunt them down, and put their testicles on my mantle piece as a warning to anybody even thinking about making a ME movie which will be bad.

[Renegade_Turner]

Star Wars (people fucking hate jar jar binks and there isn't a single person in the world who would say that the newest movies beat the older ones)
Indiana Jones (Aliens? :/ )

Star Wars? The old films were boring. The new films weren't very good but they weren't as boring as the old films. I only really like Star Wars games, never had any interest in the films.

Indiana Jones? Didn't Indiana Jones always have stupid supernatural shit in it? Didn't Raiders Of The Lost Ark have ghosts in it? Isn't that considered by man to be the best Indiana Jones film? Are ghosts more believable than aliens? If you consider the amount of galaxies in the universe and earth being but one of the many in this galaxy, is it not logical to think that there is probably some form of sentient life other than the life on Earth? Is that not the definition of an alien? A life-form from another planet? Aliens probably don't exist in the context of any of the things we've seen in films and stuff so far, but those are just representations of something that could be there. Aliens = More believable than ghosts.

To be fair to Hitman, it was actually a pretty good film. The only problem was that it had nothing to do with the actual Hitman series. If you just watch it as an action movie, it's okay.

Agree 100%. I thought Hitman, like Iron Man 2 and so on, gave you what you wanted from an action movie. I was happy with both as they gave me what I came expecting: action and lots of it.