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Grayswandir wrote:

Count Roland wrote:no see that's my point.

You seem to be under the impression that they had any "loyalty" to the computer and that they lost it.

nope.

Zhukov wrote:

Endoperez wrote:... and the breaking of a law is a moral wrong in itself.

Wow.

You really believe that?

Nope, I just said it for an argument's sake. Venatir's argument basically boils down to "it's illegal so it's wrong", after all.

I think it's rather interesting that Ragdollmaster decided to argue against the cake, and didn't latch onto this more interesting claim.

Zhukov wrote:

Endoperez wrote:... and the breaking of a law is a moral wrong in itself.

Wow.

You really believe that?

Just wow.

Allow me to present the painfully obvious counter-argument. During WWII the people in Germany who protected Jewish friends and neighbours from the Nazis were breaking the law.

Were those people committing a moral wrong?

So what is moral then? What defines good moral? If you believe there is no God, then how come you got moral? The law is actually a pretty good way to tell if your moral is "good" or "bad". So is choosing which law to follow is morally wrong.
But then moral would be fucked up by your example and for another example, the French revolution.
Then good morale would then be defines as a "good" person and helping others.

Enough with this philosophy.


Anyway, a pic related to Ubisoft

Venatir wrote:The law is actually a pretty good way to tell if your moral is "good" or "bad". So is choosing which law to follow is morally wrong.
But then moral would be fucked up by your example and for another example, the French revolution.
Then good morale would then be defines as a "good" person and helping others.

There's no simple answer, but something like "breaking a law is wrong, except when obeying the law would be wrong" seems like it would usually work. However, that ignores stupid laws, like ones that are simply outdated.

Venatir wrote:So what is moral then? What defines good moral? If you believe there is no God, then how come you got moral? The law is actually a pretty good way to tell if your moral is "good" or "bad". So is choosing which law to follow is morally wrong.
But then moral would be fucked up by your example and for another example, the French revolution.
Then good morale would then be defines as a "good" person and helping others.

Morale is a completely different thing altogether.

Anyway, I'm not sure what's going on with your funky grammar, but morals are subjective. You cannot say one set of morals is the right set. There is no right set. Good doesn't understand bad and bad doesn't understand good.

did you not read the

Enough with this philosophy.

part?


Sorry, I could not find another picture related to ubisoft

Perhaps I can diffuse this situation of clashing egos and ultra competitiveness with this announcement ...

The next person to post in this topic is a douchebag.

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Oh, come on!

You are ... a Douchebag!

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Venatir wrote:So what is moral then? What defines good moral? If you believe there is no God, then how come you got moral? The law is actually a pretty good way to tell if your moral is "good" or "bad". So is choosing which law to follow is morally wrong. But then moral would be fucked up by your example and for another example, the French revolution. Then good morale would then be defines as a "good" person and helping others.

So first off, morale <> moral.

Second off, morality is a concept that happens to be derived from a Latin phrase literally meaning "proper" or "good" behavior. How hard is that to understand? God and religion aren't inseparable from the concept of morality. Religions are generally infused with moral codes that tell their followers to be cool dudes, but it doesn't mean that people are who atheistic or agnostic are going to be evil dictators with fittingly evil-looking mustaches.

Third off, the law is not at all a pretty good way of telling if your morals are "good" or "bad". The law essentially exists to minimize conflict in society and keep it running. People can break the law for good reasons (murder to prevent mass murder, for instance; think Robin Hood) and people can also follow the law for bad reasons; furthermore, they can commit lewd acts that aren't always technical violations of law. Another thing to remember is that law is created by imperfect, flawed governments, and it is very nearly always biased in some way or another. Following the law basically entails bending to the will of a governing power- and yes, typically, it's for good reasons, but it still doesn't mean that it always will be.

Morals are relative and not absolute. A single action isn't always necessarily moral (or, conversely, immoral) Morality has more to do with your emotional intent than your physical actions. It's a fluid social concept, not an absolute scientific law.

Generally speaking, to have good morals means:

• Not harming people without justification (self-defense or the defense of others; for the "greater good")
• Being willing to help people out selflessly
• Not be-

OK, who am I kidding? This should be a very self-evident concept. It generally entitles not being a douchebag and having a "kind", or, at the very least, tolerant attitude. I don't think it can be boiled down to anything simpler than that.

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