My ideas for OG combat

[CeliacBoy]

I have a few ideas that I think would be good for the Overgrowth combat system.

Left click punches, right click kicks, middle click grabs and blocks.
EDIT: middle click is too flimsy, it should be F.

I think this would add a whole new level of control to Overgrowth.
Currently the type of attack you do (excluding grabs) is determined by the distance between you and your opponent, and your movement direction. I think that these things are very hard to think about in the middle of combat, and that mistakes can be made easily. But, if each type of attack was given it's own button, it would eradicate this problem. This would allow you to easily determine what type of attack you throw. Also, it allows different enemies to be weak (or strong) against certain attacks. For instance, enemies with very strong blocks can easily absorb your punches, but will be too slow to avoid a stronger kick.

Punches: fast, weak, medium range*, hard to dodge, easy to block.

Kicks: slow, strong, long range*, easy to dodge, breaks through blocks.

*EDIT: All attacks should be able to be used at all ranges. e.g. At close range kicks can be knees, and at long range punches can shuffle in. It's too complex to think about how far away the enemy is and what attack to do.

Grabs are a little more complex, they would be close range, and only could be used when the enemy is open. Perhaps holding a directional key would cause the enemy to be thrown in that direction, and just pressing grab would cause you to grab their head, and knee them in the face. Also, grab animations should be different depending on which way the enemy is facing.

Combos.

EDIT:This idea is out. It wouldn't really work with multiple enemies.

This would work well with my previous idea. for example.

P = punch
K = kick
W = forwards

P-P-P = jab-punch-hook
P-P-W+K = jab-punch-knee
P-P-W+P = jab-punch-elbow

Power attacks.

Holding an attack key would cause the attack to be slower, but more powerful. Would look pretty much exactly like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzjRGs3QKzc

Would work really well with Combos.



What do you guys think about my ideas?

[Starkiller2000]

My only problem with that is it kinda turns overgrowth into a button masher style game. And the distance/location based attacks are actually easier because the game does the thinking for you, with your system you have to figure out based on where the enemy is where he is going to be and then figure out the corresponding attack you need for that scenario. Also that system would be very difficult with multiple enemies. I hope I didnt sound too negative or anything, but I will say it is an interesting idea.

[CeliacBoy]

Also that system would be very difficult with multiple enemies.

Good point, I never thought of that. I don't think combos would really work against multiple enemies.

Instead, maybe just make it so you don't attack with the same side twice, to make chained attacks look nicer. Which i'm pretty sure is going to happen anyway.

And the distance/location based attacks are actually easier because the game does the thinking for you, with your system you have to figure out based on where the enemy is where he is going to be and then figure out the corresponding attack you need for that scenario.

Again, good point. Different attack's ranges probably should be the same, for instance if you punch at long range you could shuffle in and punch. Or if you kicked at close range you could knee. That would get rid of thinking about how far away you are and what attack is used at that range.

The only thing you should need to think about, is what general type of attack is good against that enemy. Which can be done much faster, and doesn't need to be done every time you attack.

[BlackWaltz]

How would the weapons work with this configuration?

[CeliacBoy]

How would the weapons work with this configuration?

Most likely weapons would be picked up/equipped with Q/E (like in lugaru). Left click would be weapon attack, right click would still kick, and middle click still would be grab. With larger weapons, grab would change to block, and with even larger weapons, you may not be able to kick.

[brigadesoft]

I think that these things are very hard to think about in the middle of combat, and that mistakes can be made easily.

I disagree with everything, but this particular passage is where most of my disagreement is focused.

[Wilbefast]

My only problem with that is it kinda turns overgrowth into a button masher style game.

+1

[StompJunkman]

By God, the throw button should be located on its own button. All too often I end up throwing when I want to block.

[m3nace]

My only problem with that is it kinda turns overgrowth into a button masher style game.

+1

+1

[CeliacBoy]

By God, the throw button should be located on its own button. All too often I end up throwing when I want to block.

Yeah, you're right. I have that problem too. I remember in lugaru trying to do a reversal on a wolf, and instead crouching, and getting kicked in the face. I don't know what button could be used instead though.

[Ryuzaki]

It would be useful if there was an attack (Besides throw) that would knock back enemies if you were facing a group. All i can think of is punching the ground and sending a shockwave :p

[Endoperez]

It would be useful if there was an attack (Besides throw) that would knock back enemies if you were facing a group. All i can think of is punching the ground and sending a shockwave :p

Positioning should play a big role here. If all your enemies are coming from one direction, throw or push one of them towards the others. There's numerous shoulder strikes and pushes and such that can be used to send enemies flying the way they were coming from.

Even if you just make one enemy fall down, and that doesn't directly stun all the other enemies (it was often ridiculously easy to stun several enemies in Lugaru), the guy on the ground will slow down your enemies as they go around him. It's just for a couple of steps, but if you knew you'd do it, that should give you enough time to get more distance between you.

[Conner36]

I have a few ideas that I think would be good for the Overgrowth combat system.

Left click punches, right click kicks, middle click grabs and blocks.
EDIT: middle click is too flimsy, it should be F.

I think this would add a whole new level of control to Overgrowth.
Currently the type of attack you do (excluding grabs) is determined by the distance between you and your opponent, and your movement direction. I think that these things are very hard to think about in the middle of combat, and that mistakes can be made easily. But, if each type of attack was given it's own button, it would eradicate this problem. This would allow you to easily determine what type of attack you throw. Also, it allows different enemies to be weak (or strong) against certain attacks. For instance, enemies with very strong blocks can easily absorb your punches, but will be too slow to avoid a stronger kick.

Punches: fast, weak, medium range*, hard to dodge, easy to block.

Kicks: slow, strong, long range*, easy to dodge, breaks through blocks.

*EDIT: All attacks should be able to be used at all ranges. e.g. At close range kicks can be knees, and at long range punches can shuffle in. It's too complex to think about how far away the enemy is and what attack to do.

Grabs are a little more complex, they would be close range, and only could be used when the enemy is open. Perhaps holding a directional key would cause the enemy to be thrown in that direction, and just pressing grab would cause you to grab their head, and knee them in the face. Also, grab animations should be different depending on which way the enemy is facing.

Combos.

EDIT:This idea is out. It wouldn't really work with multiple enemies.

This would work well with my previous idea. for example.

P = punch
K = kick
W = forwards

P-P-P = jab-punch-hook
P-P-W+K = jab-punch-knee
P-P-W+P = jab-punch-elbow

Power attacks.

Holding an attack key would cause the attack to be slower, but more powerful. Would look pretty much exactly like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzjRGs3QKzc

Would work really well with Combos.



What do you guys think about my ideas?

If any of these suggestions can be added with mods would you mind posting your idea to http://wiki.wolfire.com/index.php/Wolfi ... ity_Portal?