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[Jacktheawesome]

The thing is, it's not about fairness, or logic, or rules. Who cares who deserves it more, I'm sure EA has lots of really awesome employees. I just like Wolfire better. Even though they obviously are more able to form a relationship with their customers, the fact is, they do. Stop trying to rationalize everything. It's not always black and white.

[Renegade_Turner]

I was saying it doesn't matter who deserves it more, not you. Glad you agree with me, it doesn't matter who deserves it more, the only things that matter are the rules and whether or not they are applied, and if they are applied, they're applied unilaterally.

Also, telling me not to rationalise something which is a matter of legality is pretty nonsensical. Some parts of the law have gray areas. This isn't one of them.

[Korban3]

Are we trying to rationalize anything the government does? I try to avoid doin gthat as often as possible, other wise my brain implodes from lack of environmental logic.

[Endoperez]

You're pushing the blame on the government now. Mm-hmm, quite irrefutably indeed. Can't remember which of the logical fallacies it is, but you're avoiding the argument.

He's saying that you're a smelly pirate. Just because you (or I, or the purple one) take a metaphorical shower before meeting friends and try to act as if we weren't, in fact, smelly, doesn't change the fact that you (or I, or the purple one) are smelly pirates.

The counter-argument here could be said to be that people around here hate the smell of unlawful lagomorphs. Which is also true. Doesn't change the fact that all pirates are smelly. Tastes can differ, and some people have grown accustomed to some odours, but as far as logic is concerned, a smell is a smell regardless of if you like it or not.

[Renegade_Turner]

The purple one. I like this. Are you trying to undermine my existence by not referring to me by a name, but a colour? I would be offended, but I quite like it.

The bit about pirates and smelliness is a bit odd. Have you been sampling some fine spices?

But yeah man the government maaaaaan. The corporations yada yada yada. The legislature isn't ever going to be perfect, but would you rather that downloading games wasn't considered theft? That would set a dangerous precedent. And then we'd just be running around stealing each other's livestock.

[Endoperez]

It's shorter to write "purple one" than "renegade turner", and that was a silly post.

edit: wow, that sheep link. Cool dudes.

[Renegade_Turner]

The Purple One would probably be a more appropriate title these days.

Yeah, Norwegian metal bands are a bit insane. But heroic.

[Korban3]

Sheep link was sweet. But I wasn't avoiding a question, but pointing out that the legislature is ridiculous and pointless to rationalize, at least in my opinion. As for pirating, it sucks. It's illegal for good reasons. It can't be justified, but I believe that companies could try to prevent more effectively by removing DRM and building a relationship with the folks who buy their games.
And the law has no grey areas, at least in America it doesn't. It has hidden clauses, unenforced principles and crooked clearance through a corrupt system. I hate that partisan politics have ruined the way this country is run. Damn politicians. Change isn't bad, but when it endangers folk I get pissed.

[Jacktheawesome]

Where did this thread go. I'm taking it back. I don't think the issue is which one (pirating from Ubisoft etc. or Wolfire) is more illegal, or more wrong. It's just that I at least take it more personally when someone pirates from Wolfire, because they build more of a relationship with their customers, which includes me. And it doesn't matter that bigger companies are unable to because of their size and the size of their customer base, they just don't. That's all.

[Korban3]

Indeed. Where the hell did this thread go? The video was cool and entertaining, so I like it. I don't support teh pirating, but there's not much to do about it other than discourage it.

[Morki]

To Purple renegade:
Law is what a country recognizes as "good" for it's citizens. When the definition of what is "good" makes consensus no more comes conflict and law tends to come blurry.
Agree to EA's Origin (or to Ubi's insane DRM and stuff for what I care) can I not, and as gvt doesn't give a fuck about it, it's I as a citizen to take action. I do not make it an apology of piracy, I purchase my games but hack my way in not to have my personal data collected to be distributed to whoever they see fit.
On the contrary, when the game isn't a door to spy on the consumer or isn't heavily guarded with shitty DRM annoying the honest buyer, piracy is just irrelevant.

To Korban: law is blurry. Or there would not be need of lawyer or sentences such as taking the word of the law against the spirit of the law.

Noce veideo though. Hope the guy will soon have the cash to pre-order.

[Korban3]

It may be blurry, but it sure as hell isn't grey. It's black, white, and then there's rich folk with connections and friends in high places.
I also hate that murder can earn you anything other than life imprisonment or death. I mean, I can understand accidents like your car rolling down an embankment after being rear ended and flattening a lady, but 20 years for murder? C'mon! Some crook breaks into a person's house, kills them and is caught. He is then given an fair trial, but gets off with 20 years in jail with no parole because it wasn't a mob hit and the victim wasn't a cop? WTF?!
You murder someone in the country I will someday run; you get taken to the town center, tied to a post and eaten alive by the starving children in the streets. At least that will help solve hunger. Oh, and rapists too. They get the same thing.
Wow, I am an angry person aren't I? Bit of a rant here.

[Jacktheawesome]

Korban, please don't ransack my village.

[Korban3]

Don't give me a reason to.

[Morki]

Wow, I am an angry person aren't I? Bit of a rant here.

You may. But if your penalties imply cannibalism in western civilisation, I vouch for it

Btw, here's an example of law bluriness: there is law and its application. When a law is voted, it defined what is now legal and stuff, but it's not applicated. For that, you need application decree specifying the how, 'cause in France law is all theory on how it should be. You cannot imagine how huge is the pile of laws that have NEVER been given any application decree. They define what's legal, but virtually don't have any mean of application.