Multiplayer. My personal plea to wolfire.

[Jacktheawesome]

I don't care if it's included or not. Do you read my posts before replying? By all means include it. This debate is only repetitious because you seem to fail to hear what I am saying: it's not about whether it's in or not, it's about whether or not it's a prioritization.

Yes, and the decision about prioritization is up to Wolfire. As he has agreed. So the only thing left to argue about prioritization is which way he'd prefer it to be. And that is where you won't get him to change his opinion, and he won't get you to change yours. I might be misinterpreting you too, but to me, it seems like you're the person keeping that particular argument alive.


Yeah, if 4-player co-op is playable at all, the AI positions and numbers need to be totally rethought.

However, isn't 4-player split-screen default only on the consoles? I don't think computer monitors are big enough for that, and I'm not sure if PC-to-TV is common enough for that to be feasible for more than a few people.

Well really, everything is up to Wolfire. There's no more use arguing about what we want it to be like than arguing about whether or not it will be in or prioritized as it's all up to Wolfire anyways. By that logic, why argue about anything?
Anyways, I'm about as done with this as I'm sure everyone else is really, so I'd be fine to drop it and move on.

[Ylvali]

Not only do I want pvp multiplayer features, I'm convinced there will be.

And it will make all the difference in the world both in terms of persistence and profit. The same difference it makes for mount and blade etc.

The technical difficulties are blown out of proportion I think, the wheel is already invented. And you can actually slow down the pacing a tiny bit if that's the problem, I doubt it will be needed.

The last alpha video look very promising. Actually, implementing a basic multiplayer feature right away, even if it's only LAN or split screen, would make this a playable game this instant. A product worth it's money right away, and while we play little death matches against each other at home the devs finishes the game and campaign, it would be perfect, And that would probably translate to a LOT of preorders from the multiplayer market, which is quite significant.

How much more fun would it be to test the new alphas against a friend?

[polyoptics]

Not only do I want pvp multiplayer features, I'm convinced there will be.

And it will make all the difference in the world both in terms of persistence and profit. The same difference it makes for mount and blade etc.

The technical difficulties are blown out of proportion I think, the wheel is already invented. And you can actually slow down the pacing a tiny bit if that's the problem, I doubt it will be needed.

The last alpha video look very promising. Actually, implementing a basic multiplayer feature right away, even if it's only LAN or split screen, would make this a playable game this instant. A product worth it's money right away, and while we play little death matches against each other at home the devs finishes the game and campaign, it would be perfect, And that would probably translate to a LOT of preorders from the multiplayer market, which is quite significant.

How much more fun would it be to test the new alphas against a friend?

I like the way you think!

That's a very interesting way to look at it. If that were the case, I would absolutely preorder, and testing the game would be a TON of fun! Great idea imo. I totally agree that implementation has been blown out of proportion, although i'm sure it will have its challenges too. I hope you are right about Worlfire's intentions.

I have always seen split screen as a console thing. Once computers are involved it seems easier somehow for each person to have their own screen, but I guess that has no logic behind it, its just what I'm accustomed to. Regardless, it could definitely be worth tying out.

Endoperez: Thanks for helping me drill that point in. I think you finally got through to him.

On an semi-realeted note I think this would make a great sig:
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this thread should be about debating whether or not multiplayer should be in or not.

*facedesk* I don't care if it's included or not. Do you read my posts before replying?

[Korban3]

Well, you don't have to say "I would". You can say "I will right now" because WE HAVE CO-OP NOW! Did you watch the freakin' video? David said, rather explicitly, that the second character is controlled by the controller. It is shared-screen co-op and will be split screen fairly soon I'd imagine. This thread is no longer concerned about co-op's possible implementation because it's happening. PvP may or may not follow.

[adwuga]

On an semi-realeted note I think this would make a great sig:
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this thread should be about debating whether or not multiplayer should be in or not.

*facedesk* I don't care if it's included or not. Do you read my posts before replying?

Those actually don't contradict. One is about the thread and the other is about personal opinion. It makes sense to say "This thread should be about whether MP is implemented or not, but I don't care either way about the matter."


You sir, are wrong!

[Jacktheawesome]

On an semi-realeted note I think this would make a great sig:
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this thread should be about debating whether or not multiplayer should be in or not.

*facedesk* I don't care if it's included or not. Do you read my posts before replying?

Those actually don't contradict. One is about the thread and the other is about personal opinion. It makes sense to say "This thread should be about whether MP is implemented or not, but I don't care either way about the matter."


You sir, are wrong!

I was wondering why you kept acting as if I was contradicting myself poly.

[polyoptics]

I was wondering why you kept acting as if I was contradicting myself poly.

You've made an awful lot of posts in a thread who's topic you care nothing about!

[Korban3]

No, he cares about seeing a multiplayer thread... AGAIN!
I swear, I'm about to write that Forum FAQ so quick, it'll be like Hurricane Katrina took a lunch time quicky with the Roadrunner. And the first lines will be:

+MULTIPLAYER IS PLANNED (AND IN DEVELOPMENT); DON'T BEG FOR IT.
+DISMEMBERMENT WOULD BE A MOSTLY GRAPHICAL EFFECT HAVING LITTLE IMPACT ON GAMEPLAY ITSELF; DON'T BEG FOR IT.
+WATER IS A FEATURE THE DEVS WANT TO DO, BUT HAVE A PLAN FOR ALREADY; DON'T BEG FOR IT.

[Jacktheawesome]

I was wondering why you kept acting as if I was contradicting myself poly.

You've made an awful lot of posts in a thread who's topic you care nothing about!

Obviously I care about the topic, or else I wouldn't be wasting my time. I just disagree with you. I already expressed that I was finished with this permutation of the conversation, and your snarky signature comment failed. Why don't we abandon this and let the relevant discussion through?

Thanks as usual, Korban

[Korban3]

No problem. *Hauls belt up in macho style* *Inhales noisily thru nose* Just doin' my duty. *Readjusts aviators* Take it easy now, y'hear?

*Adds that it is a Sam Brown belt* (Thanks Count Roland)

[Jacktheawesome]

Heh.

[polyoptics]

No, he cares about seeing a multiplayer thread... AGAIN!
I swear, I'm about to write that Forum FAQ so quick, it'll be like Hurricane Katrina took a lunch time quicky with the Roadrunner. And the first lines will be:

+MULTIPLAYER IS PLANNED (AND IN DEVELOPMENT); DON'T BEG FOR IT.
+DISMEMBERMENT WOULD BE A MOSTLY GRAPHICAL EFFECT HAVING LITTLE IMPACT ON GAMEPLAY ITSELF; DON'T BEG FOR IT.
+WATER IS A FEATURE THE DEVS WANT TO DO, BUT HAVE A PLAN FOR ALREADY; DON'T BEG FOR IT.

+YOU CAN"T STOP MULTIPLAYER THREADS; DON'T BEG FOR IT.

[Korban3]

I'll tell you what I will beg for: Helpful, insightful multiplayer threads. Not a thread full of PvP-glorifying pattsies. The thread isn't helpful if it puts all forms of multiplayer, no matter the quality, on a pedestal that fails to assume that it may come out not as awesome as it could because of limitations.

[adwuga]

Truthfully, the least I expect is local split screen. Previously I wanted LAN duels, and that would still be awesome, but split screen is enough for me.

And we could stop the multiplayer threads. Just get a mod to Ip ban and kill anyone who posts one, and leave their head on a stick as a warning. Figuratively of course. And literally.

[Jacktheawesome]

We have local co-op now, split screen can't be that far ahead *excited*


Yes. Someone do some smart computery things and make Adwuga's idea come true. *pulls cigar out of mouth* And get this man an office!