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The Ravenlords

Post by Kriegson » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:50 am

There are legends of a race lost to the known world, though few know them and even less speak them aloud. Lest they be branded a fanciful storyteller at best or a raving lunatic at worst.
The legend speaks of them as the first race upon the land to master both hugin (thought) and munin (memory), creating tools when the other races were only just starting to create language and perfecting weapons unlike the world has seen when cats first started to bang rocks together.

They say that the lords of the peaks paid a terrible price for their knowledge and craft however, and were forever cursed for ever having forsaken their true nature. Banished from the skies, they live only on the highest peaks in the bitter north, a constant reminder of what they had lost upon the peaks, but for practical purpose.
It is said they can spot a creature approaching at nearly two thousand paces, and can whisper death upon anything they see. A death that is so swiftly delivered, that even wolves have come to fear them. Unable to fight against the magics of the mountain lords, they no longer venture near the mountains of which the lords had claimed.

They are said to be carrion beasts, feasting on the flesh of the fallen whether it be rat, cat, wolf or tiger. One can never be truly sure if they are alone, as for every Raven you see, there are blades for nearly three.
Of course, few have seen a raven. Fewer still have lived to tell the tale, especially in these times. There are no ruins, no manuscripts nor single tattered cloth of which one could attribute to them. The fools that venture into the mountains in search could easily have been lost to the elements, as many do on less frivolous tasks, let alone the mythical denizens of the peaks.

One thing is certain however; of those that venture into the mountains of the far north, none return.


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(Things are a bit sloppy and probably unfinished, didn't know I needed a mod to review before the post was made -_-;;)

The logic and whatnot:
Ravens are considered to be one of the most intelligent birds, capable of creating and using tools to achieve a goal (Saw one vid in particular on youtube where a raven took out a metal wire and bent it into a hook so he could lift a plunger to get at a piece of meat).
The highly advanced tools also compliments their weakness, considering that bird bones are very low density and would break very easily, they would not make very effective hand to hand fighters.
Thus the "Whispered death" is often projectile weapons such as bows, or possibly even crossbows if that's not taking it a step too far.

The "Curse" of them leaving behind their feral nature (And forms) is that they can no longer fly. While anthropomorphic in appearance like the other races, their wings end in three articulated talons, and are a feathered hybrid between an arm and a wing. Capable of gliding or gaining some altitude by flapping, but unable to fly indefinitely.
These two elements play into their fighting style, which is very indirect. They prefer to prepare traps, then attack from afar, leading whatever survivors or wounded that follow to fall to the traps. They also prefer to attack at night, having no code of honor in regards to combat so much as cold calculated efficiency.
If forced to fight face to face, they will often gain altitude and use close range throwing weapons, such as axes, knives or stars, remaining out of reach as often as possible. They are not incapable of defending themselves however, and strike with knowledge rather than finesse or strength, specifically targeting weakpoints such as the eyes.

So what's with the rant?
Just something that came to mind. There are no avian races and I thought it would be a very curious niche' to have that sort of ancient-and-yet-advanced race that nearly every adventure story/movie seems to have :P
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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Endoperez » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:47 am

Not bad, but they seem to have slightly too many conflicting features. They exist but no one knows about them but everyone knows they're just stories but they are still interesting enough to write all this stuff about and so on. It might be better to say that they are known to have existed once, but that they haven't been seen lately.

Are you going to tie Odin's wolves Geri and Freki into this? Besides being greedy and ravenous (that's their names' approximated meanings), they could have developed some sort of sentience before, or at the same time as, ravens. Not both thought and memory, but perhaps thought alone.

Ravens shouldn't get all bird tropes. They're smart, sure, and use tools, but don't have the hawks' eyesight. You could make them the creators of the first weapons, or the people who gave the first dogs the first sword, or whatever. Japanese Karase-Tengu are drawn as bird-men or crow-men, and together with different types of Tengu they are associated with martial arts and swordsmanship..

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tengu.shtml

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Kriegson » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:16 pm

Endoperez wrote:Not bad, but they seem to have slightly too many conflicting features. They exist but no one knows about them but everyone knows they're just stories but they are still interesting enough to write all this stuff about and so on. It might be better to say that they are known to have existed once, but that they haven't been seen lately.
I didn't get to finish, but yeah the idea would be that they sort of faded into legend.
Are you going to tie Odin's wolves Geri and Freki into this? Besides being greedy and ravenous (that's their names' approximated meanings), they could have developed some sort of sentience before, or at the same time as, ravens. Not both thought and memory, but perhaps thought alone.
I think perhaps they may! They could possibly be the first of the other races to have encountered the ravens.
Ravens shouldn't get all bird tropes. They're smart, sure, and use tools, but don't have the hawks' eyesight. You could make them the creators of the first weapons, or the people who gave the first dogs the first sword, or whatever. Japanese Karase-Tengu are drawn as bird-men or crow-men, and together with different types of Tengu they are associated with martial arts and swordsmanship..

http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tengu.shtml
They do have better eyesight than most (considering most other creatures rely on scent or hearing more than eyesight) but it is probably not as keen as a rabbit's hearing or a wolves' sense of smell. Though most are expert marksman and are adept at spotting movement and silhouettes. Ironically, I think the ravenlords are sort of the opposite of the tengu. While Tengu (like many Japanese creatures of myth) lived by a code or set of rules of a sort, the Ravens are simply cold and calculating. They are not particularly skilled hand to hand fighters, but they are skilled strategists. In fact, some of the tales and stories of the Ravens may have been perpetuated by the Ravens themselves!

In regards to physical appearance, I'd say something akin to this (http://wiki.gtm.guildwars2.com/images/c/c6/Versus.jpg) albeit without the back wings (their wings evolved into arms) and most are of a more lithe stature.

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Korban3 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:42 pm

Hmm, damn god first post. Bravo.
I think it needed to be mod reviewed because the forum marked it as spam. We get spam threads on here sometimes that only advertise for fur coats or some crap and it must have picked up yours as a spam thread :lol:
Anyways, yeah. I think Endoperez got the details covered. I like the idea. Maybe, if you preordered, you could make some Ravenlord characters in the game? I made a fox, two otters (Still make the game engine crash :evil: Must fix) and a raptor. User EdT got Konoko and a Striker guy (I have never played Oni, can someone explain what is happening) from Oni into Overgrowth. He has actually gotten the rigging process down better than I did, and I believe that that is why my otters break the game.

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Count Roland » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:27 am

Yeah all first posts need to be reviewed

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Kriegson » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:11 am

I'm definitely going to pre-order once we get some of that probable co-op support for the game, presuming it's not already in. But I'm certainly no artist, so making the ravenlords would be quite a feat!
I do plan on getting a bit more familiar with modding though come the release of the skyrim creation kit (going to be making a hand to hand perk tree, and weapons) and albeit with different tools, perhaps that experience might help me here.

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Endoperez » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:38 pm

That sounds like it'd be scripting or coding. That's certainly part of Overgrowth modding too, and understanding the logic behind it should transfer pretty well even if the scripting commands were different.

Paizo's Pathfinder RPG system seems to have a ravenfolk race called Tengu. Their arms aren't very winglike, but otherwise it seems like that could be a good way to find an image that fits your idea of them.

http://www.fantasticexclusive.com/2009/images/k7.jpg
http://engineeringmyowndoom.com/gaming/ ... tengu1.jpg
http://screamsheet.files.wordpress.com/ ... ckwing.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/ ... 4gpqp6.jpg
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2 ... 4bi21c.png
http://paizo.com/image/content/Pathfind ... hCheck.jpg

The last two are largish.

Also, the second-to-last introduced me to a new kind of Scandinavian monster: valravn.

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Kriegson » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:41 pm

Endoperez wrote:That sounds like it'd be scripting or coding. That's certainly part of Overgrowth modding too, and understanding the logic behind it should transfer pretty well even if the scripting commands were different.

Paizo's Pathfinder RPG system seems to have a ravenfolk race called Tengu. Their arms aren't very winglike, but otherwise it seems like that could be a good way to find an image that fits your idea of them.
Very nice resources, and that pathfinder tengu is almost exactly what I envisioned them as! Hrm....though I might just have to go back on my earlier design choice and give them full wings on the back after all to fit the concept, though I would think that could be a PITA to rig. ..

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Endoperez » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:59 am

Those weren't all Pathfinder tengu. In fact, the pathfinder Tengu are the ones that fit your concept of wingless the closest.

Which one do you think is the closest fit?

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Re: The Ravenlords

Post by Kriegson » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:05 pm

Endoperez wrote:Those weren't all Pathfinder tengu. In fact, the pathfinder Tengu are the ones that fit your concept of wingless the closest.

Which one do you think is the closest fit?
The first one linked was the closest to the concept, I assume that is the pathfinder tengu?

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