I do not contend that a game (or movie or book or whatever) cannot be both scary and tongue-in-cheek. I am simply saying that L4D is the latter rather then the former.Uberbeard wrote:Not specifically, a lot of horror (grind house being a good example) is tongue in cheek, but that doesn't mean it's not scary. I bring up Shawn of the Dead, which is hilarious right up to the scene in the pub where they suddenly jack up the atmosphere and everything falls to pieces, does the imposing atmosphere jar with the fact that it's a comedy movie?
Well, my first plays were done solo. (I wanted some practice to ensure that I would not be burdening other players with my initial period of incompetence.) Yes, I was wrapped up in the atmosphere. And yes, I admit there is a hint of tension present. However, the atmosphere was still predominantly one of lighthearted zombie action rather then creepiness or in-your-face horror.Uberbeard wrote:...but if you weren't wrapped up in the atmosphere in those first few plays AT LEAST i would argue that you are the exception there.
Once I started playing with other people, any and all sense of atmosphere vanished immediately. I don't know about you, but I for one cannot maintain a decent suspension of disbelief when the frenetic shotgun-vs-zombie action is being frequently interrupted by a friend's voice whining about how his new girlfriend refuses to give him blowjobs.
I do not know of this Yahtzee, but I agree with him. However, "fantastic" is not synonymous with "scary".Uberbeard wrote:To further illustrate my point, I'd like to add that even Yahtzee, the harsh critical bastard himself, conceded that Left 4 Dead had a fantastic atmosphere.
Hardly. Besides, "bigging oneself up" on an internet forum strikes me as a self-defeating endeavor.Uberbeard wrote:My conclusion is that you're either trying to big yourself up...
Once again, hardly.Uberbeard wrote:...or you are an emotionless robot who cannot feel fear.
Incidentally, I thought the witches were the best thing in L4D, at least on the conceptual level.Uberbeard wrote:Oh, and the witches.