Phoenix Engine

[olliemathews]

Is the Engine part of Overgrowth? Or is Overgrowth a completely separate game?

If so, will there ever be an option to buy the engine?

If not, then


PWETTY PWEAAAASE

[TheBigCheese]

I would assume they are making the engine so that it could be used in a different game later on down the road, but right now it's only being used for Overgrowth.

You can't buy and engine, necessarily. You can only license it from the developer, for whatever endeavor you need it for. For most commercial engines (Source, Unreal 3), the price is extremely high, something around $10,000 - $100,000 I believe. Obviously too much for a single person.

I'm not sure whether Wolfire will actually allow studios to license the engine, though it would be a great source of income. They'll probably make most of those decisions once Overgrowth is released.

[Endoperez]

I would assume they are making the engine so that it could be used in a different game later on down the road, but right now it's only being used for Overgrowth.

You can't buy and engine, necessarily. You can only license it from the developer, for whatever endeavor you need it for. For most commercial engines (Source, Unreal 3), the price is extremely high, something around $10,000 - $100,000 I believe. Obviously too much for a single person.

I'm not sure whether Wolfire will actually allow studios to license the engine, though it would be a great source of income. They'll probably make most of those decisions once Overgrowth is released.

"Too much for a single person", possibly, but not "extremely high" if you think it from a company's point of view.

Any way, there are many very expensive commercial engines, and some cheaper, and few free ones. Like Unity 3D. the basic version of Unity is free since 2.6, few days ago.

[m3nace]

i don't really think that's what the guy meant. I think he asked us about the editor and not the engine itself, and if that's the case then the answer should be:
no you can't buy the engine! You can buy the editor and that comes with the game of Overgrowth, buy overgrowth and the editor is free. And if you're thinking about modding then you can do that too when you've bought the game.

[TheBigCheese]

"Too much for a single person", possibly, but not "extremely high" if you think it from a company's point of view.

Of course, but he didn't seem to me like he was part of a company with the money to license an engine like that.

I think he asked us about the editor and not the engine itself, and if that's the case then the answer should be

The engine and the editor are pretty synonymous, if you ask me. If you get one, you have the other.

[Endoperez]

Of course, but he didn't seem to me like he was part of a company with the money to license an engine like that.

Engines costing over 10 000$ are not directed at single persons. I just wanted to point out that it's not extremely high from a company's point of view.

But yeah, Overgrowth the game uses Phoenix the engine, and tools are still being added as they become relevant.

[m3nace]

I think he asked us about the editor and not the engine itself, and if that's the case then the answer should be

The engine and the editor are pretty synonymous, if you ask me. If you get one, you have the other.

but there's still a difference between buying license for the engine or the engine itself from wolfire, say some guy had a billion bucks and he buys the engine from them, and buying the editor/game.

[Fournine]

I think the difference between the engine and the editor is the interfaces.
I assume if you have access to the engine, you have access to many of the low-level code that you have to tie into to create a game or application.
An editor, on the other hand, is an application built-in or built-for the game - while it may let you create mods, it won't necessarily allow you to build something from the ground up using low-level tie-ins into the engine code.

[Assaultman67]

Im actually curious about this as well ...

If they did license it i doubt they could license it for much (sorry wolfire )

[TheBigCheese]

Im actually curious about this as well ...

If they did license it i doubt they could license it for much (sorry wolfire )

Compared to something like Valve maybe, but I doubt they would license it for pennies. Especially if they put modability as the main selling point.

[rne1223]

Why isn't open source on the table?

[Madd the Sane]

Because Open Source isn't a good idea for something like this. They also lack the legal resources to enforce any "pay for commercial use" clauses they would want in the license.

[Ragdollmaster]

Yeah, OG probably won't be open source, but Lugaru is.

[Endoperez]

Yeah, OG probably won't be open source, but Lugaru was back when it was in the Humble Indie Bundle. Can't get it now unless you've already bought it, though.

Of course you can download Lugaru's source code. It wasn't "Buy Lugaru, get the source for free", if was "Lugaru goes open source". Open source means that the people who DLd the code can distribute the code further, so even if the links below will eventually be taken down for any reason, someone would make a new mirror.

http://wiki.wolfire.com/index.php/Lugar ... structions
http://akamai.wolfire.com/humble/src/lu ... _final.zip
http://hg.icculus.org/icculus/lugaru/


That said, I agree with Madd the Sane.

[Ragdollmaster]

I never said that. How dare you fabricate a quote of such insolent nature?
Ignore the "Edited" message under my previous post.