Renegade_Turner Schools the Wolfire Forums on Semantics

[Renegade_Turner]

Hypocrisy would be if you did the same exact thing as what you told him not to do. (It was implied that you did) You told him not to use the definition of a word that was only used by him.
So either A. That's hypocritical in itself, as you both were using a different definition, and what you tell him can be applied to you, or B. You just told him that you were using a different definition.

I'm sorry, I actually can't comprehend how you are this stupid.

"the definition you have picked for the words to suit your arguments is the only correct version of the words in your eyes"

Notice how the definitions of the words I used were not "the only correct versions of the words in my eyes". Do you read one part of a sentence and then pick out the words you would prefer to hear and ignore the rest of the words? That's just what you're doing.

It would be like hearing a person saying "I'm a perfectly upstanding citizen, I pay my taxes and have never been convicted, except for that time I was convicted for raping my children." and thinking to yourself "That guy's a perfectly upstanding citizen, he pays his taxes."

The name of this thread should be changed to "Renegade_Turner Schools the Wolfire Forums on Semantics."

[Sandurz]

lol at not admitting it.

[Assaultman67]

... Notice how the definitions of the words I used were not "the only correct versions of the words in my eyes". Do you read one part of a sentence and then pick out the words you would prefer to hear and ignore the rest of the words? That's just what you're doing. ...

Therefore, you are a god according to the fourth definition understanding if you are worshipped ...

This is getting pretty ridiculous. Just saying.

Probably ... but that's never stopped me before!


(id stop, but at this point hes getting trolled more than me ^^)

[Renegade_Turner]

... Notice how the definitions of the words I used were not "the only correct versions of the words in my eyes". Do you read one part of a sentence and then pick out the words you would prefer to hear and ignore the rest of the words? That's just what you're doing. ...

Therefore, you are a god according to the fourth definition understanding if you are worshipped ...

...which would be true if I had initially been using an alternate version of worshipped.

However, since I wasn't...!

I'm afraid you're going to have to concede the point. I'm just awesome and you're not as good at understanding semantics as I am. Face it, I'm a legal student. Your specialisation is mechanical engineering! If we're ever having a discussion about inverse kinematics you can feel free to school me about that because I know fuck all about it*.

If it's about the pettiness of language association, you might as well just concede the point before you start the argument. I'm just better than you.

* This is of course converse to your theory for this whole argument, i.e. that I am a god and am therefore both omnipotent and omniscient.

[tokage]

* This is of course converse to your theory for this whole argument, i.e. that I am a god and am therefore both omnipotent and omniscient.

Why does this pop up again. Didn't I already point out that omnipotency is a paradoxical concept? Same goes for omniscience. Basically every term handling completeness is weak against self-referentiality. Don't argue with me, due to my education in theoretical informatics this is my forte and if worst comes to worst I'll have Gödel to back me up.

[Renegade_Turner]

Haha, Godel is like your master pokemon you save only for emergencies. I don't know why that comparison came into my head the second I read that.

Anyway, I was being ironic. I don't believe in omnipotence or omniscience any more than I believe in Star Wars. Assaultman just thinks I hold those qualities for some reason, he's adamant that I'm godlike. I, being the modest individual you all know me as, have been trying to dissuade him of that theory using logical sequence, to no avail!

[Assaultman67]

... I'm afraid you're going to have to concede the point. I'm just awesome and you're not as good at understanding semantics as I am. Face it, I'm a legal student. Your specialisation is mechanical engineering! If we're ever having a discussion about inverse kinematics you can feel free to school me about that because I know fuck all about it*...

If I say 2+2=5 it doesn't mean you cant call me on it because i have a stronger background in math ...

But you certainly are doing what every good lawyer does ... if the facts don't support your conclusion, try to undermine your opponents credibility and distract the jury

[Renegade_Turner]

Good point, you probably aren't very good at mechanical engineering, while I am quite fantastic legal studies. There's the difference!

My logic is undeniable. You're just being stubborn, you tried to project meanings onto my words which weren't there.

[Assaultman67]

contrary to delusional belief ... you're the one projecting meanings onto my words ...

This is the reason people hate lawyers in general ...

[SamW]

Anyway, I was being ironic. I don't believe in omnipotence or omniscience any more than I believe in Star Wars. Assaultman just thinks I hold those qualities for some reason, he's adamant that I'm godlike. I, being the modest individual you all know me as, have been trying to dissuade him of that theory using logical sequence, to no avail!

Actually he only was pointing out that it could be argued that you, who is said to be agnostic, where stating (not are, but stating, even jokingly) that you where a god. The rest of this is just an argument of why or why not what you said could be read as you claiming to be a god. Of course only you know what you meant.

Anyways for the purpose of supporting assaultman's joke. He should simply tweak his argument to the very weak argument that saying you are a worshiped immortal COULD be also saying that you are a god (Weak arguments don't say as much but they are much harder to argue against). Why is only such a weak argument needed, because it was a joke, and weakly argued jokes can be funny too. In this way, Assaultman can be right in that what you wrote could be read as Renegade_turner claiming to be a god, and Renegade_turner can be right in making the weak argument that he was not making that statement. and then we can all laugh, or not, at assaultman's statement of irony.

It is only for convenience that assualtman is regarding your previous statements as the "real world" facts. It just becomes too cumbersome to constantly have to referring to the imaginary worlds as separate from the real world when the discussion is only founded in the imaginary anyways as human immortality is not currently a reality among other concepts being thrown around.

Of course, I don't know why I would have to point that out since, it is quite painfully obvious that is what assaultman is doing. But of course you know that assultman doesn't really think you are immortal or omnipotent. You are just making jokes at the expense of assaultman. Either that or you are trying to attack the credibility of someone by attacking their sanity with a quite stupid argument.

[Renegade_Turner]

Jesus, talk about taking me seriously.

Anyway, I believe this is all done and dusted since I have provided my evidence as to why I am right and Assaultman67 is undeniably wrong, hence the thread title.

I said the words, I held the meaning, your attempts to attach secondary meanings to my words for the purposes of a poorly executed joke are laughable, I'm ready for dinner.

[Assaultman67]

meh ... since more people sided with me I'll take this thread as a win.

[Grayswandir]

meh ... since more people sided with me I'll take this thread as a win.

You can't win. Not against R_T. You'll figure that out eventually. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Renegade_Turner]

meh ... since more people sided with me I'll take this thread as a win.

lol as I recall the 15-year-old sided with you, but that doesn't really tell you anything.

As Ben said, whatever helps you to sleep at night, but you still know deep down that I just made you my bitch.

[Assaultman67]

meh ... since more people sided with me I'll take this thread as a win.

lol as I recall the 15-year-old sided with you, but that doesn't really tell you anything...

Wow, I just realized you must be a really bad lawyer if you couldn't fool a 15 year old