OH NOOOO!!!!

[eastshore4]

Funny story: Molyneux' team first put children into Fable, but their alpha testers began to only slay children for the fun of it. So they took the kiddies out.

HAHA, yeah I remember reading about that a while ago. In a game like that, I could see it being sorta humorous, given that everything had a whacky skew in that game. Lugaru however, given it's serious tone, just makes it seem really uncomfortable. The game already emphasizes a rather brutal style, and while I understand that some folks appreciate the fact that Wolfire "went there" by including such a intense action, it's just sorta bothersome. I guess you could say I'm a fan of the B movie approach to video game violence, I prefer it when it's over the top and doesn't really make me think. When I rabbit-kick an enemy 20 feet into a rock (leaving behind a giant crack where he landed), I don't mind that because it's over-the-top violence, and badass to boot... But when I'm presented with a more moral dillema like being forced to slay a bunch of little kiddy wolves to progress to the next level, then things get a bit bothersome. Like I said before, I'm sure some folks eat this stuff up, but it just makes me sorta uncomfortable. I hope it's not an indicator of what we'll be seeing in L2... I can go for more "Predator" style knife impalements and stuff ("stick around"), but I can't really see myself being fond of the game if I have to break people's legs and watch them crawl and scream in agony for hours on end.

And as for all the people saying that he had to kill them etc etc, wasn't it just a group of wolves that he just happened upon on his way to kill the alpha wolf? From what I remember, it was a voluntary detour he took.

[invertin]

It's also the very topic that drove me to leave the forum almost two years ago.

Woah. We've definetly found a very serious topic if usagi left because of it.

[rudel_ic]

Well, Usagi's way of saying 'bye, suckers' was a bit weird. But let's not get into that. Old news and stuff.

eastshore4, it isn't the smartest move to make the player kill children, we all know that.

Animals are extremely brutal for seemingly no reason in certain cases - it's always a result of a stressful situation, of course, but no wild animal would think twice about killing children of another kind when its usual routine is disturbed. Therefore, if a rabbit had the opportunity to slay some wolf kiddos to get to its cave, it would. As any other animal.

The point that should be troubling you is the fact that humans, even you, would do the same for precisely the same reasons, the only difference is that you don't see that the reasons are just as trivial as the ones of the walrus being pushed out of its routine.

Slaying human kiddies is taboo in entertainment context. Slaying animal kiddies in entertainment context, virtually or not, is an easier choice, although still difficult.

If you don't want to kill the wolf kids, let them knock you down so that the sword falls out of your hand, then beat the crap out of 'em till they go K.O.

Then take the sword again and brutally slay the parents. But expect the children to hunt you down later because, you know, they are anthropomorphic and thus will seek revenge. In Lugaru 2. As adults. You're a senile grandfather who can barely walk. They will beat you to a pulp. What a fun game that is..

[Nuky]

Children... adults...
...
Men... women...

Is there really that big of a difference?
It's called reality, baby.
Women and children aren't protected by this invisible force. It has just become taboo for the common humans to think that women and children also should be able to be killed once in a while, while men should be the one slayed (first).

If somebody's targeted; they're targeted. If they get killed; they've been killed. If killing a kid is a part of the story; so be it. instead of wheeping over five kids and two women being killed; why not also pay some attention to the 700 men you just slaughtered?

[rudel_ic]

Well, YOU're a plutonium handler - we didn't expect anything less.

Killing in general is a cruel thing - it just gets crueler when the targets don't fight back. The wolf kiddies in Lugaru though choose to attack you and beat you to death. You have to defend yourself. You definitely would do the same if a zombie kindergarten would try to peel your brain out for breakfast.

[invertin]

Nukys got a point there, We worry about killing children and families, yet we killed a man who needed money to feed his family not long after we left rocky ridge!

[Nuky]

Actually, I believe you most of the time just KO that dude. Unless you crush his skull or something.

But yes. It's kill or be killed. It's not unfair if Turner got killed either: It would just have some consequencer. Or rather the lack of them. =P

[Ultimatum479]

Children... adults...
...
Men... women...

Is there really that big of a difference?
It's called reality, baby.
Women and children aren't protected by this invisible force. It has just become taboo for the common humans to think that women and children also should be able to be killed once in a while, while men should be the one slayed (first).

If somebody's targeted; they're targeted. If they get killed; they've been killed. If killing a kid is a part of the story; so be it. instead of wheeping over five kids and two women being killed; why not also pay some attention to the 700 men you just slaughtered?

Thank you. Finally. It pisses me off so much when people talk about massacres in history class and say "And there were even women and children! *gasp!*" What's the f**king difference? (By the way, I'm 16, so I'd count among "children".)

Get over it, people. You're playing a video game in which your goal is to kill everything that's against you, so if that includes the Lugaru equivalent of younglings, then make sure to aim low, because they're short, and try to hurl the parents' corpses at them instead of the reverse because those are heavier. THAT'S what you should be thinking about the fact that you're fighting children: your change in tactics, not your goddamned morals.

Will I have to kill EVERYBODY to make this right?

Yes. So get over it.

[BunnyWithStick]

Nuky & Ultimatum share my ideas, it seems.

If I died now instead of some time in my thirties, twenties or forties, I wouldn't care differently because of how old I was. Sure, I'd be pretty annoyed at only getting 12 years of my life, but I'd get over that… Eventually.

Age, gender, things like that. They just don't make a difference, and often to the victims, it doesn't make a difference either!

[Jeff]

Wait... You are 12?

[BunnyWithStick]

Yeah. I think I said so on an older topic you may not have noticed.

[NickD]

12 is my unlucky number . HeeeaaThEeeennnn

[Colicedus]

I recommend we all kill someone.
Its good for the spirit. and really Questions your morals.
It separates the girly pansies from the the beer stained shirted men.
I can kill some one you dislike, you can kill some one I dislike.
Killing you and me for brother, me and you!
What ever happened to the days when a blood bath in real life were so much Joy to see. What happened to the movies where We all cheered on the Man with the flame thrower? Where did my Chainsaw symphony filled with an orgy of blood go?
Where did we go wrong? Where did we loose our barbaric ways?

[invertin]

Probably when I started taking those pills.

[Crill3]

Wow, you're 12 and not dumb.
I became fully self-aware on my 13th birthday..
Up to 11 I was a completly different person.

Anyway!
I'm also annoyed at the huge difference between a man dying, or a woman/child getting killed. It's like all men are Klingons.