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Ultimatum479 wrote: feet --> foot

Who's to say he didn't hurt both of them?

Not saying that. Usagi put the typoes in, I think, and in the original version of that level, I'm fairly certain he says "foot".

Let me check.

Usagi did not put those typoes in, he really does say "feet" in the game. "where are the rest" is refering to other typos in the game, Usagi doesn't really mess with the maps or anything in these GIFs.

Ultimatum479 wrote: Huh. If even showing them the definition doesn't work, BwS, it's hopeless. Don't worry about it.

Silb wrote:Isn't the first definition in that dictionary exactly what Renegade_Turner said?

Zantalos wrote:

Silb wrote:Isn't the first definition in that dictionary exactly what Renegade_Turner said?

No.

Lowercase "w" in "will".

Renegade_Turner wrote:Irony : Saying one thing when the opposite is true...well that's the most basic definition I can give.

Dictionary Widget wrote:• a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result : [with clause ] the irony is that I thought he could help me.

Which one is easier to understand? "Saying one thing when the opposite is true" is a rather vague definition, isn't it? Also, that isn't the only definition I posted, which can sometimes be helpful. (Well that's for sure, otherwise it wouldn't be in the dictionary.)

P.S: I smell an argument. Ren, is this your doing again?

OK, you've found the typos I showed you. What about the others that I didn't show you?

I was just giving a basic definition of irony, and I wasn't wrong in what I said. However, Ultimatum told me what I described wasn't irony.

Irony is when you say one thing is true, but the opposite is actually true.

It's like if someone was a really evil and mean person, but they pretended to be nice, and then someone who experienced them pretending to be nice said "Oh you're a lovely person aren't you?" This would be ironic because the person they're calling lovely is really a horrible person.

I hope that helps clear it up. I may have only confused things more. Ah well.

Renegade_Turner wrote:It's like if someone was a really evil and mean person, but they pretended to be nice, and then someone who experienced them pretending to be nice said "Oh you're a lovely person aren't you?"

Again, that would be sarcasm.

Ultimatum479 wrote:

Renegade_Turner wrote:It's like if someone was a really evil and mean person, but they pretended to be nice, and then someone who experienced them pretending to be nice said "Oh you're a lovely person aren't you?"

Again, that would be sarcasm.

Not if they didn't know they were evil.

Finally, invertin's almost got it. A statement is sarcastic if you're intentionally saying one thing when you mean another and trying to make the other person realize that. It's ironic when the speaker doesn't realize that his statement is so completely false, or, it's argued by some -- including invertin, apparently -- when the listener doesn't realize it. I don't use the latter definition, myself, but it's a'right if others do.

In Through the Looking Glass, Humpty Dumpty says, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

Alice replies, "The question is whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all."

But we're in Lugaru, not Wonderland.

Sarcasm is a form of irony: both intentionally conceal the real meaning of the statement through the use of contradictory terms. But sarcasm is mocking and jeering, while irony is tongue in cheek.

Satire is a form of criticism which combines irony, wit and humor to hold up a mirror in which you see everyone's face but your own.

Sarcasm is a broadsword; irony is a katana; satire is a rapier.

Ultimatum479 wrote:Finally, invertin's almost got it. A statement is sarcastic if you're intentionally saying one thing when you mean another and trying to make the other person realize that. It's ironic when the speaker doesn't realize that his statement is so completely false, or, it's argued by some -- including invertin, apparently -- when the listener doesn't realize it. I don't use the latter definition, myself, but it's a'right if others do.

That's what I meant. The person they were pretending to be nice to thought they were actually nice. I thought you would have picked up on that. The person didn't actually know they were horrible.

I'm pretty sure everyone else but you got that.

Usagi's explanation of irony is true also, but irony does not necessarily need to be ironic to the knowledge of the one who said something ironic. It can be used purposefully or it can happen accidentally, and both are forms of irony.

Usagi wrote:Satire is a form of criticism which combines irony, wit and humor to hold up a mirror in which you see everyone's face but your own.

If you've any interest in poetry and/or war, check out the poetry of Siegfried Sassoon. He's a very good poet that uses a load of satire in his poetry to show the horrors of war and all the negatives aspects of it (as abundant as they are).

Renegade_Turner wrote:...irony does not necessarily need to be ironic to the knowledge of the one who said something ironic. It can be used purposefully or it can happen accidentally, and both are forms of irony.

That's dramatic irony, which is what we experience when we realize that Jack and Skipper do intend to take care of T's family; just not the way T is expecting.

Renegade_Turner wrote:That's what I meant. The person they were pretending to be nice to thought they were actually nice.

You're not entitled to be counted amongst the "others", though.

Renegade_Turner wrote:

Ultimatum479 wrote:Finally, invertin's almost got it. A statement is sarcastic if you're intentionally saying one thing when you mean another and trying to make the other person realize that. It's ironic when the speaker doesn't realize that his statement is so completely false, or, it's argued by some -- including invertin, apparently -- when the listener doesn't realize it. I don't use the latter definition, myself, but it's a'right if others do.

That's what I meant. The person they were pretending to be nice to thought they were actually nice. I thought you would have picked up on that. The person didn't actually know they were horrible.

I'm pretty sure everyone else but you got that.

Usagi's explanation of irony is true also, but irony does not necessarily need to be ironic to the knowledge of the one who said something ironic. It can be used purposefully or it can happen accidentally, and both are forms of irony.

Yeah, I got that, it isn't confusing. Maybe you're just trying to be snarky?