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Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Smok » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:55 pm

Allright. I've put *A LOT* of nerves and work in this, so I hope you like it, and find it useful.

I give you: external dialogue editor for Lugaru. Dedit.

OS VERSION:
Tested on WindowsXP, try others.

FEATURES:
0.1
  • Browsing dialogues directly in map files
  • Editing: Name, Text, Type, Sound, Position, Colour of Dialogue
  • Editing: X,Y,Z camera positon, X,Y camera rotation
  • Adding and removing dialogues, and dialogue lines
  • Rearranging lines
0.2
  • Editing Map settings: objective type, hostility, view distance, fade distance
  • Editing Sky settings: sky tint, sky light
  • Editing Player settings: x,y,z, rotation, starting weapon
0.3
  • Polished interface (addes some comboboxes, coloured fields)
  • Editing Map settings: terrain type, speed factor
  • Editing Player settigns: race, base health, texture, armor (h,m,l), protection (h,m,l)
  • Editing Player clothes
  • Duplicate dialogue line option
  • "Get camera coortinates from player coordinates" option
  • Editing objects: adding, deleting, duplicating, changing type (more types than in debug editor), altering position, rotation, size

INFO:
Things may not work as planned. Let me know.

Those big boxes are unknown values (I don't know what they do) please check them out. The one to the left is header of the dialogue (one for all lines) and the right one is footer for each line.

THANKS:
Silb - for the basic info about the dialogue hex format. You saved me few hours!
Lotus Wolf - he told me that windows dialogue editor in debug mode does't work. So I rolled up my sleeves.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Lotus Wolf » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:59 pm

Awesome! you turned that out faster than i had imagined! i'll be testing it out.
+10 Awesomeness for you!

Edit: It would be cool if you wrote a tutorial on this, it's kind of hard to jump into.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Smok » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:21 pm

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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Lotus Wolf » Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:11 pm

Here's a small dialogue i made to test it out.
The dialogue editing works fine, but camera positioning and rotation is difficult. It works perfectly well for me (Windows XP) and i'm looking forward to updates. :)

I'll write a tutorial when i get the hang of everything. (hopefully Smok will make camera editing simpler.)
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Groveller » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:34 am

Oh, that is sweet as. Many, many thanks!
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Lotus Wolf » Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:15 am

OK, dialogue editing works perfectly, but camera angles are hard. on top of that, in a new map they are nearly impossible, since the camera rests at 0 0 0 and the dialogue could take place anywhere on the map, and there's no way to figure out where. anyway, despite this, i find it truly amazing that you turned this nifty little program out in two days! i'm really looking forward to updates. :)
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Groveller » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:35 am

Not so hard to find where the camera should be, Lotus. The General Info tab shows the players start coordinates. Set the camera coordinates to those, and with a little trial and error it's not too hard to get your bearings.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Lotus Wolf » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:09 pm

If i know where the player is, it's not too hard, but i don't know where he is. General Info tab? :| What? please fill me in on that, i may have missed something...

Oops... I missed the 0.2 release... :P
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby roryokane » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:17 pm

I have a bunch of suggestions for the interface. I'm sure you know about and will fix almost all of these issues, but if there's one improvement I suggest that you haven't thought of, it would help improve the program. Note that I don't actually mod Lugaru myself, and all I know about dialogue editing I learned from reading the wiki page right now. Also, I am trying this program using Darwine on a Mac, so some of these may not apply to the Windows version.

  • Allow dragging of lines of dialogue to reorder instead of selecting a line and clicking move buttons
  • Have color picker instead of or as well as the RGB value text fields
  • Make Sound a menu that includes textual descriptions of sounds instead of text field expecting a number
  • In thanks on General Info tab, spell it Silb instead of Slib
  • Resize window when on General Info tab so there is not huge blank area, or maybe
  • Bug (probably Darwine only): when switching tabs, the whole window moves down the same distance as the height of the title bar
  • Recognize line breaks in message text field as \n in file
  • Automatically work around 10 or 13 character bug by appending #, without distracting user by showing it to them
  • When truncating message because more than 128 characters, remember all of the message, but put a caution symbol next to the line in the list or color it red, and truncate the message only when saving it to a file. An alert would pop up either right after entering the too-long message or when clicking on the line again or on the caution symbol that would explain that the message is too long.
  • Call the last player weapon Staff, not Stick.
  • Have tooltip text for most fields, explaining that Cam X means Camera X coordinate, up means the line of dialogue appears at the top of the screen, hostile means whatever it means, etc.

I wonder, would you consider releasing the source of your program? Others could read it and submit improvements to you, or make their own version. I ask because I am presently filled with an urge to make a REALBasic version of this program that would be cross-platform and include the changes I have mentioned in this post. I would probably give up on the project before I made anything useful to others, as I have with other programming projects, but somebody else might have more discipline than me – or might, as I said, just submit their changes to you. I wouldn't mind just doing that if I didn't have a Mac and therefore wasn't unable to edit Windows programs. Of course, you may decide you would rather have the feeling of pride that the program is all your work, and you would rather keep the code to yourself.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Smok » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:46 pm

roryokane wrote:Allow dragging of lines of dialogue to reorder instead of selecting a line and clicking move buttons
sounds nice, but implementing this would be tough, and it wouldn't be so commonly used.
roryokane wrote:Have color picker instead of or as well as the RGB value text fields
I'll think of that, RGB values differ from float-based, so I'll have to calculate them.
roryokane wrote:Make Sound a menu that includes textual descriptions of sounds instead of text field expecting a number
done!
roryokane wrote:In thanks on General Info tab, spell it Silb instead of Slib
right.
roryokane wrote:Resize window when on General Info tab so there is not huge blank area, or maybe
Bug (probably Darwine only): when switching tabs, the whole window moves down the same distance as the height of the title bar
It's probably Darwine bug, I've changed UI a little.
roryokane wrote:Recognize line breaks in message text field as \n in file
Not sure what you mean - If you want to enter a line break type \n or \r, it's equivalent for that.
roryokane wrote:Automatically work around 10 or 13 character bug by appending #, without distracting user by showing it to them
Done!
roryokane wrote:When truncating message because more than 128 characters, remember all of the message, but put a caution symbol next to the line in the list or color it red, and truncate the message only when saving it to a file. An alert would pop up either right after entering the too-long message or when clicking on the line again or on the caution symbol that would explain that the message is too long.
Text box is length-limited to 128 characters now.
roryokane wrote:Call the last player weapon Staff, not Stick.
Changed it already.
roryokane wrote:Have tooltip text for most fields, explaining that Cam X means Camera X coordinate, up means the line of dialogue appears at the top of the screen, hostile means whatever it means, etc.
Dedit was dedicated to windows users who are unable to edit dialogs standard way. It's not meant to do everything for them. Little learning (reading wiki and forums) will improve understanding of dialogues and dedit itself. I'm trying to reach fair amount of work between what I've done and what end-user does ;] :D Creating Dedit is not so easy as it seems ;P

roryokane wrote:I wonder, would you consider releasing the source of your program?

Not to wider public. Source code is very dirty, and has small comments in Polish, so I'm a little ashamed of it (the way it looks and works). If you will really insist - I'll send you the source, but I urge you to wait until Dedit is finished, and then I'll publish map-file format with comments what each byte does (I'm writing it while discovering).
roryokane wrote:Of course, you may decide you would rather have the feeling of pride that the program is all your work, and you would rather keep the code to yourself.

I'll probalby be finishing this soon, so I can get to work on my Lu campaign. I've made this tool because I needed it. And I'm sharing it because: why not.

0.3 is out.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Count Roland » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:30 pm

hey Danke. I needed this.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby rudel_ic » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:41 am

This is totally awesome and you are an awesome person for writing this tool.
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Dark » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:33 pm

Well it boots on windows7 :p
dont know if it works, dont have lugaru atm xD
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Lotus Wolf » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:19 pm

I'll be writing a tutorial on this soon. Once i figure out a few things about the internal editor. 8)

OK here's the tutorial:

1)Create your map.

2)Use Dedit to implement your dialogue. Set everything, other than camera angles. Save it.

3)Go back into your map, then delete the dialogue you just implemented (Sorry folks, that's the way its gotta be), the console command to delete the dialogue is "ddialogue".

4)Position the characters participating in the dialogue where they will be for it, and use the console command "dialogue n Example". (Example must be capitalized, I believe, and 'n' is the dialogue type, all types can be found here.)

5)By now you should have entered the camera editing mode, if not, quit lugaru and restart from step 3. If you entered camera editing mode, you can now set the camera angles as you like by controling the camera with 'w' 'a' 's' 'd' 'shift' and 'space'. set the angles the way you want them, then save the map.

6)Load the map in Dedit, and put the dialogues back in over the empty spaces you will find in the "Dialogues" tab.

7)Save the map, and load it in lugaru, the dialogue should appear with the angles you set.

Hope this helps, i might make another spoof map with this tutorial as the dialogue... :D
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Re: Dialogue Editor in Windows

Postby Groveller » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:38 am

Thanks, Lotus!
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