Video games have been ruined forever... again!

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Video games have been ruined forever... again!

Post by Endoperez » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:49 am

This thread exists to show examples of games whose design, characters, story etc have been affected by social justice movements such as feminism. Changed, yes... but for the worse? No way! :) The purpose is to show how small and insignificant these changes are.

The Tekken series has been ruined! :wink:

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SJW are asking for more, and better, representation of people. They want to see more varied characters. Beware! White english-speaking fit cis men are no longer good enough!! :mrgreen:
http://kotaku.com/tekken-7-is-getting-s ... 1677087293
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Post by Ylvali » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:44 pm

He looks almost as ridiculous as Cristian Bale as Moses. :lol:

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Post by Thomason1005 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:13 am

Ylvali wrote:almost

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Post by kibaoo » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:46 pm

Do you have problems with muslims in Finnland?

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Post by Endoperez » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:42 pm

kibaoo wrote:Do you have problems with muslims in Finnland?
I don't have.
Unfortunately, we have a political party which has problems with all immigration etc.

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Post by kibaoo » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:45 am

then why bother? Feminist just want to make Gamers and developers sensible for the Thread "Games are somehow sexiest", which most of them are.

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Post by Grayswandir » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:39 am

I see it thrown around every once and a while, but I never understood the usage of the term "cis-x". From what I understand "cis" basically means default, so "default male/female"?

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Post by Endoperez » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:00 pm

kibaoo wrote:then why bother? Feminist just want to make Gamers and developers sensible for the Thread "Games are somehow sexiest", which most of them are.
I am a feminist, I've spent a lot of time arguing on these forums. This thread is a joke. It seems like you might have interpreted the thread as serious?

Sorry about that, I can see how that could happen. I've clarified the first post and added smiley faces so it's more clear that I meant this as a joke. Thanks for telling me!

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Post by Phoenixwarrior141 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:25 pm

Endoperez wrote:
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Right. We needed a Muslim character. As bad-ass as he looks.
We needed that.

I want to see your logic for defending the fact that we need these characters, That we need diversity.
Even though studies conducted by Social Justice Warriors have proven that we don't need diversity as welcome as it may be.
Please, go back to the Eye of Tumblr Endo. Your Social Crusades have accomplished nothing. You've made less progress then Abbadon, as you haven't even made cracks in the pylon system.

SJW are asking for more, and better, representation of people.
Yes. We need diversity.
We must change for diversity.
Right.
They want to see more varied characters.
Because fucking reasons.
Beware! White english-speaking fit cis men are no longer good enough!! :mrgreen:
This would be sarcasm if it wasn't the logic you put into everything, as stupid as you know it sounds. Abbadon.

Edit: Yes. I know the thread is a joke. Zero fucks given. I had a bad day.

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Post by Endoperez » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:54 am

I assume that diversity is better than the status quo. That'd make it an improvement, not a necessity.

This is an interesting study:
http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads ... .28005.pdf

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Her dissertation answers the question you raised. According to it, diversity is a political and educational goal, not something driven by the audience. It's all explained in the abstract, mostly on the second page of it. I didn't read the rest since, you know, 300+ page dissertation.
http://scholar.google.com/citations?vie ... MSGLbcyi4C

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Post by kibaoo » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:36 am

Can u speak german plox, i don't get it.

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Post by Endoperez » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:26 am

kibaoo wrote:Can u speak german plox, i don't get it.
Ich kann ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen. Ich verwenden Google Translator mit dieser Übersetzung. Ich hoffe, Sie können den Text verstehen.

Ich habe viel mit PhoenixWarrior argumentiert, oder gekämpft. Ich schrieb diesen Forum Post als Witz über was er sagt. Er ist sarkastisch, so dass ist, warum er ist schwer zu verstehen.

Er sagt, dass Spiele nicht brauchen vielfältig sein. Mit 'vielfältig', ich meine Medien, in denen hat Menschen verschiedener Rassen und Ethnien. Es ist das falsche Wort, vielleicht...

Ich denke, dass es besser ist, um Spiele zu ändern, so dass wir haben vielfältig Charaktere.
Ich denke nicht dass wir es zu tun haben
Zu wollen, nicht müssen.

PhoenixWarrior stellte einen Link zu dieser youtube Typ, Sargon of Assad. Das Video sagte, dass Feministinnen bewisste, das wir (und Spielen) vielfältig-Dingen nicht brauchen. Ich habe das Video nicht sehen, weil die Videos PhoenixWarrior gibt mir sind normalerweise dummen, aber die Beschreibung von Sargon Video gab den Quellen (oder Referenzen - Ich weiß nicht, was ist das richtige Wort ist) er verwendet.
(Nothing offensive here PhoenixWarrior, I just said I didn't watch the video you linked to because I find those videos stupid.)

Die Quelle war eine wissenschaftliche Arbeit von Adrienne Shaw geschrieben. Das Papier sagt, dass für die Spieler, es ist ihnen egal, wenn die Charaktere wie sie zu spielen sind die gleichen Rasse Geschlecht oder Ethnizität wie sich selbst.

Ich las Adrianne's früheren Arbeit, ihre Dissertation!, und es sagte dass Vielfalt ist ein wichtiges Ziel für die Entwickler von den Medien, aus vielen Gründen.
Was das Publikum denkt an Vielfalt ist nicht einer dieser Gründe.

Wir offiziell im SciFi Zukunft leben, wenn Sie das verstehen können! :)

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Post by Phoenixwarrior141 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:40 pm

Endoperez wrote:I assume that diversity is better than the status quo. That'd make it an improvement, not a necessity.
Point stands then.

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Post by Endoperez » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:44 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by kibaoo » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:04 pm

My adjustments to your German Text.

Ich kann ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen. Zum Übersetzen benutzte ich Google Translator. Ich hoffe du kannst den Text so verstehen.

Ich habe intensiv mit PheonixWarrior über das Thema diskutiert, quasi gekämpft. Der Thread(Post) ist ironisch gemeint, warum ist das so schwer zu verstehen? Seine These sagt das Spiele keine emanzipatorischen Anpassungen brauchen. Was natürlich totaler quatsch ist.

Ich denke das vielfältige Charaktere die Spiele in dieser Hinsicht bereichern. Sie müssen das zwar nicht, aber sie sollten es.

PheonixWarrior hat den YoutubeChannel von diesem "Sargon of Assad" Typen hier verlinkt. Das Video beschreibt, dass sich Feministen bewusst sind(eventuell davon ausgehen), das wir (die Spieler) diese "politisch korrekten" Anpassungen nicht brauchen/wollen. Ich habe das Video nicht gesehen, weil die Videos die mir phoenixWarrior normalerweise schickt dumm sind. Ich habe mich aber mit den Referenzen auseinander gesetzt, die "Sargon of Assad" in der Video-Beschreibung verlinkt hat.

Die verlinkte Quelle ist eine wissenschaftliche Arbeit von Adrienne Shawn. Das Dokument besagt, das es für den Spieler keine Rolle spielt, wenn die Charaktere die er spielt die gleiche Rasse, Geschlecht oder Ethnie wie er selbst haben.

Ich las Adrieannes frühere Arbeit, ihre Disseration!, worin sie beschreibt warum Vielfalt ein wichtiges Ziel für die Entwickler von Spielen ist und auch wegen vielen Gründen.

Offiziel leben wir in der SciFi Zukunft, wenn du das verstehen kannst! :)


------Now this translated into English, with the help of google translator of course. Just to make sure i've got you.

"I can speak a little German. To translate I used Google Translator. I hope you can understand the text so.

I have discussed with PheonixWarrior on the subject, quasi fought, in detail. The thread (post) is meant ironically, why is that so hard to understand? Its thesis says that games need no emancipatory assimilation. Which of course is total rubbish.

I think the variety of characters enrich the games in this regard. Games don't have to change, but they should.

PheonixWarrior has linked the youtube channel of "Sargon of Assad" here. The video describes that feminists are aware of (possibly assume), that we (the players) do not need/want this "politically correct" adjustments. I have not seen the Video, because these videos by PheonixWarrior are usually stupid. But I sat down with its references apart, which has "Sargon of Assad" linked in his video description.

The linked source is a scientific work of Adrienne Shawn. The document states that it does not matter for the player if the characters, which he plays, are the same race, gender or ethnicity as himself.

I read Adrieannes earlier work, their dissertation, in which she describes why diversity is an important goal for the developers of games and also because of many reasons.

Officially we live in the SciFi future, if you can understand that!"

My question is: Why do we live in a SciFi future? And, what point wants Adrienne Shawn to prove, if race and gender doesn't matter for the player? Wheres the difference between her disseration? is there any on purpose?
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