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(I removed this)

Renegade_Turner: So Valve, a company that spent 5 years making a game you call one of the best ever, a game that you have played through 4 and a half times, is money grubbing because they ask $30 for their game?

Lets see: it takes 15 hours to beat the game (from what I've heard) and you have played it 4.5 times that comes to 67.5 hours. If you bought it, that would come out to almost 45 cents per hour of entertainment and you have the gall to call them money grubbing?

You must think I and the rest of the dev team are retarded if you think we'll believe you would pay for Lugaru 2 or any video game. Hey, asking 45 cents per hour of gameplay is just trying to rip you off right? I guess us devs don't deserve to get paid for working crunch time 16 hours a day to the point of ruining our health.

But hey, you know. Maybe there is still hope for you. I'll be praying for you... to get hit by a car.

Where was the call for that? I was kidding. I'll leave that slide, but please don't try to start things. I could try to prove I bought Lugaru, but what would be the point if you're just going to resort to saying you pray I'll die? Who are you to judge me, when you've no clue of who I am? I did not imply Valve is money grubbing. They specifically cut what was originally going to be Half Life 3 into three seperate pieces, or episodes, so that they could get them playable earlier, and that was with the intent of pleasing the players of the game. I, however, am still bitter over previous experiences, such as buying Half Life for the Playstation 2, and it not functioning at all. I, however, received no refund. The same happened with God Of War, no refund and Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas, no refund.

David has earned my trust through his continued dedication, and an example of this was when I purchased Lugaru, the code did not originally work, so I sent David an e-mail telling him my situation. I gave him any necessary information, and within the day he had replied with an e-mail apologising and supplying me with a new code. I will buy Lugaru 2, and I will buy it with my own money, as respect to someone who took the time to help me.

I never intended to offend you, for that I am sorry. I will retract the comments I already made, but I thought you mightn't have jumped straight in without thinking how your comments would affect me.

ladies please, this is no place to fight.

games now are having bigger and bigger budgets so they can make great games like hl2, some game budgets are bigger then blockbuster movies, If everyone donloaded their games and didn't pay for them, we would still be playing pong, because big bugets wouldnt exist.

(I think dave is a hero for making great games like lugaru (and this is a guess) without a big budget)

I'm not sure if deleting your comments would really make a difference. You didn't say anything that would put us into tears, so deleting comments and saying sorry if it's offensive to the developers sounds sorta insulting. I think the main thing is that you praised over some game and then said that all these companies were money-grubbing (except wolfire), and you stole from them (I would call this, implying that Valve is money grubbing since you didn't even bother buying their product legally. Not sure how 'kidding' works into stealing something, "I stole steam, kidding, but I really did")

And, I'm not sure if you actually read what Ninjas wrote because it really had nothing to do with proving you bought Lugaru. It was that you were too cheap to spend a measely 45 cents for an hour of gaming entertainment. And that it's insulting that you think developers don't deserve the respect when they put all that time and effort into the game.

Also, I'm pretty sure that once you buy a game, it becomes yours. Just because you break it later on, or your playstation has a scratched reader that can't read, whatever, doesn't mean these companies should be blamed on stores not giving you a refund.

Zantalos wrote:I'm not sure if deleting your comments would really make a difference. You didn't say anything that would put us into tears, so deleting comments and saying sorry if it's offensive to the developers sounds sorta insulting. I think the main thing is that you praised over some game and then said that all these companies were money-grubbing (except wolfire), and you stole from them (I would call this, implying that Valve is money grubbing since you didn't even bother buying their product legally. Not sure how 'kidding' works into stealing something, "I stole steam, kidding, but I really did")

And, I'm not sure if you actually read what Ninjas wrote because it really had nothing to do with proving you bought Lugaru. It was that you were too cheap to spend a measely 45 cents for an hour of gaming entertainment. And that it's insulting that you think developers don't deserve the respect when they put all that time and effort into the game.

Also, I'm pretty sure that once you buy a game, it becomes yours. Just because you break it later on, or your playstation has a scratched reader that can't read, whatever, doesn't mean these companies should be blamed on stores not giving you a refund.

You didn't even see what happened, did you? I don't think you did, and there's no point you trying to give your opinion on this situation, because it is worthless to me or anyone else. Keep it to yourself.

The games never worked when I got them. They didn't work ONCE. Don't act like you know what happened if you don't. That's ignorance.

While Ninjas never told me to prove I bought Lugaru, he said I must think the team is retarded if they thought I would buy Lugaru 2. I found this insulting due to the fact I had obviously already bought Lugaru. Are you simple? Did you miss that?

I said I was joking about the money-grubbing thing. I did not mean I thought a lot of companies were money-grubbing. It was a joke. it meant nothing. I reason that if I was unfairly parted with my money, then I am entitled to getting the equivalent of that money back. I don't expect you to accept this or understand this or anything, this is me, and who are you to judge me over the internet? That is what is really insulting, that you think you know me over some post on the internet.

For anyone's information, I didn't know much about Valve or Half Life 2 before I got it, and since Half Life was bought and NEVER WORKED (I didn't break it it), I wasn't going to be all nice about getting the game.

You didn't even need to get involved in the first place. Please don't reply to this, because I'm not even going to respond to another attempt to put me down. Let the people continue with the thread.

The discussion was about Garry's Mod. Discuss it.

This topic really is raising hate amongst you people.

lets just let this one go ok? from now on, post contraptions!
I'm sure none of you mean no hard feelings to anyone else, so truce, k?

Nah, he doesn't want to let it go, he's enjoying it too much to do that, isn't he? Bitter.

Seriously though, stop removing your posts! I mean, we all remember the trauma of Usagi's Great Post Removal™, don't we?

hehe, possably, I'm not judging anyone.
So I say to you, Be the mature one, and just say, "ah, let him have this one" Or something along those lines. thats about as mature as my 15 yr old brain goes so you probably could think of a better way of resolving this.

Nah, that's good advice. I just won't bother trying to explain to people who don't matter. I already apologised to Ninjas, and he didn't respond by biting my head off, so he's cool. I'll just try to let the rest of it slide. And sorry, rudel_ic, I'll try to stop doing that.

Dude, you have stolen copies of their games.

You took something small like losing a 20 dollar game because it didn't work. And then decided to steal 60 dollars worth of franchise, instead (almost as if you think buying something broken at a store, entitles you to triple the amount lost to the developers). Really, I don't care if you were joking about calling them money grubbing, you basically implied it. Warez, isn't exactly showing how much you respect that game though (but I know you say, that game is the best fps you've ever played)

Look, you're obviously not a bad person, but you shouldn't try to justify your stealing based on a single broken game. You don't have to respond to this reply but please, I implore you to reconsider. Just go over to a store and buy the games you love, give them the respect they deserve instead of just downloading them. That's all I'm asking, you don't have to try to talk your way out of everything, just take some action instead, ok?


And they're right too, confuses the hell out of me when you delete posts.
Hey man, you're worked up about how that conversation ended. I have to reply then.

Games here sell at €60 on release, give or take €5 or so. I didn't just lose €20. Half Life was a brand new game at the time, San Andreas was brand new, God Of War was second hand and had a price reduction of around 25%. I'll admit that wasn't as much who made the game but who had used it last, though. I still didn't get money for it. I lost around €150-160 or thereabouts in total.

how much does Half life 2 cost?

A new copy can be bought for around €45 in places.