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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:47 am
by rudel_ic
If you gain control over the dream, THAT'S called lucid dreaming.
Check it.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:25 am
by BunnyWithStick
Hmm, sounds like something I need to learn to gain more control over my mind, body and soul.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:45 am
by rudel_ic
I've had this experience multiple times, but only shortly before I was awakening. I gained control, but couldn't keep on dreaming.
I think that training this can lead to a wonderful life, where you can do anything you want.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:59 am
by Crill3
I thought it was just dreaming that you were in control,
but I don't know. I've never been in control, but only been knowing that
I was dreaming (or dreaming that I was knowing that I was dreaming),
a few times but never really been able to control anything.
_
Another thing, I've asked family and friends about it, but it hasn't
happened to them, or at least not so much as it has to me.
I'm trying to sleep, and going in and out of half-sleep all the time,
and then suddenly it feels like I'm falling really fast for about one second.
It's so realistic it's really shocking, and one or two times it happened I even
got a little nauseous afterwards. It hasn't happened in some time, but I
think it's happened about 10 times in my life.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:01 am
by rudel_ic
It's an unusual thing to happen, there's not that many people that get the chance of experiencing it without training.
Edit: I'm talking about lucid dreaming, of course. The falling dream is one of the usual bad dreams. I guess everyone knows it.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:03 am
by BunnyWithStick
Personally, I think it's strange that I can create my own dreamscape (Albeit one that has less FOV and more fuzziness than dreaming) placed upon my closed eyelids, and control it, yet even that has a mind of it's own, and conflict between me and it usually leads to giant cracks in the ground.
Does anyone else have something interesting and dream-related to share?
P.S: I might've had that falling feeling before, Crill3, though I think it's probably discovering there's no bed below me. Yeah, that's the nearly-falling-really-fast-in-reality feeling, sorry.
P.P.S: I don't think he implied the falling feeling is a dream…
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:20 am
by Crill3
For clarification, I meant in halfsleep or light sleep or whatever you want to
call it. And I wake up durning the second I'm falling.
I don't see falling, there's no visuals.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:30 am
by rudel_ic
That's pretty normal as well. Your head simply actually falls (you know, the nodding of people who fall asleep in class), and because you're still awake enough to react physically, but not aware of the nodding, it's as if you fall and you're shocked.
Some people twitch when they fall asleep. Have you ever seen that? It's hilarious.
In the house I grew up in, there was a big tiled stove. When I read books or comics in winters, I used to press my feet against the stove, shifted them over my head and teetered / seesawed with the chair I sat on.
Sometimes, I got unconscious because of that and fell off the chair. No dreams involved though..
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:47 am
by GaGrin
Colicedus wrote:I have Nightmares that turn out to be Dachavoo (is that how you spell it?)
Deja Vu
Which I get all the time. Stupid brain
Personally its so rare for me to remember my dreams. I just don't wake up with a clean mind so by the time i'm really in control its pretty much gone.
And I don't think I've been aware of having a nightmare since my fairly early childhood.
I do remember that I dreamt I was being eaten by wolves (but i don't remember the dream itself - just the events of me waking up and being frightened).
The funniest thing I've ever dreamt (and I still remember this clearly) is a cartoon elephant in a t-shirt and with one of those caps with the little propellers on top - in a supermarket trying to by fishfingers from this guy in a suit.
Anyone else have a dream where you can fly but you can't control it?
So you gain height and suddenly drop? Cause I end up sort of bouncing out of control, getting higher and higher. Quite weird.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:06 am
by Usagi
I think Crill3 is talking about something else, something I've experienced at the same stage of falling asleep, in bed.
You know you're getting drowsy, and that you'll be asleep soon, and suddenly you have a very real feeling of rushing in an unspecified direction at incredible speed.
It goes through your system like an electric shock, and you jerk awake with a start, and the sensation stops so suddenly that you can actually feel motion sickness.
[BTW, Crill3, when you feel sick you're nauseated; when you're nauseous you make other people sick. I sure you don't do that; at least I don't feel sick. Although there is a funny odor: is that lutefisk?]
Because of this experience, I've been trying to remain conscious and determine exactly when I fall asleep. I can't fall asleep on my back unless I'm nearly dead with fatigue, so I lie on my back and pay attention to the way my brain works as I'm thinking.
I've found I can now recognize the symptoms of approaching sleep, and the exact state my brain and body enter just before I lose consciousness. It is an extremely pleasant feeling, but it never lasted long before. Now I'm learning to control it and extend it, and it's very nice. When I feel completely relaxed and happy, I turn on my side and I'm out like a light.
I always hated sleeping before: even when I was very tired, and the bed felt wonderful, I didn't want to sleep. It felt like death.
And I can't fall asleep unless I want to. I know some people will actually fall asleep on their feet, or when reading a book, even driving a car.
It's never, ever happened to me. If I decide to stay awake, I just do. It comes in handy when I need to pull an all-nighter, or just finish something before the next day.
And I don't stay alert after about 30 hours; I'm in a state my friends and I call "Zomboland," where you're technically awake but so groggy that it's actually funny. In fact everything seems funnier, even dopy stuff.
Another thing that happens when I'm in bed before sleep sometimes is that I see images that seem to be projected in red on the back of my eyelids. They almost look like old ruby laser holographs.
They're very detailed and 3-D, but they glow so redly that it's hard to make out details, and it's not a thing or place I recognize. Most often they look like cities or castles, and the image starts out large and close up, but unfocused, then moves back or shrinks and moves to the side and winks out.
Then the cycle starts again, with a slightly changed imaged, but almost the same. This can go on a long time. I used to think I was actually "far-seeing," looking as a real place far away. But I don't believe that actually happens.
Yah, weird stuff.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:09 am
by Crill3
Haha, okay, nauseated then. Thanks for the correction.
And you're right on spot about what I mean
Edit: The holy Dictionary.app says
Distinction has traditionally been drawn between nauseated, meaning ‘affected with nausea,’ and nauseous, meaning ‘causing nausea.’ Today, however, the use of nauseous to mean ‘affected with nausea’ is so common that it is generally considered to be standard.
You're right but I'm not wrong.
We win.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:12 am
by Silb
GaGrin wrote:Colicedus wrote:I have Nightmares that turn out to be Dachavoo (is that how you spell it?)
Deja Vu
Déjà vu.
GaGrin wrote:Anyone else have a dream where you can fly but you can't control it?
So you gain height and suddenly drop? Cause I end up sort of bouncing out of control, getting higher and higher. Quite weird.
It has happened to me too. Psychoanalysis says it's a dream of bliss (like the expression "walking on air") that is, according to Freud, sexual in nature (but then again, if you listen to him, almost everything is - I have read other authors who disagree in this case).
It's funny because all of the common dreams have already shown up: flight, fall (like Rudel said), knife stabbing (sexual metaphore again according to Freud).
I don't know if you can feel pain in dreams (other than an actual pain perceived through the dream, in the same manner as when your alarm clock rings and you hear it in your dream (usually as something else)).
Something I'm very curious about: have you guys heard actual sentences and conversations during a dream, or is it more "I know this character tells me this and that, but there aren't really any definite sentences that I could, say, remember when I wake up"?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:20 am
by rudel_ic
Usagi: Okay, that is also pretty common. When you fall asleep, your brain has to adapt to the sleeping state. Sometimes, there are disturbances at the signal transmission at the spinal cord. Some brain areals are already in semi-sleep state, but others, which are responsible for immediate motorics, are still active. The result can be muscle contractions. These are misunderstood, resulting in a rushing or falling sensation.
The laser stuff is also totally normal, it's the blood in your retinal arteries and veins. You can easily provoke the effect by pressing your thumbs gently on your closed eyelids and waiting a few seconds, then releasing the pressure, but keeping the eyes closed. You'll see it really clear if it's dark.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:22 am
by Crill3
Silb wrote:Something I'm very curious about: have you guys heard actual sentences and conversations during a dream, or is it more "I know this character tells me this and that, but there aren't really any definite sentences that I could, say, remember when I wake up"?
I never talk in my dreams, or I don't remember what I say.
I never remember voices but I know
what the mood was, and part of what people say, or rather the meaning
of what they said. The only words I remember from last nights dream
is "metal" and "stone" and "traditional" which someone on a bus said.
The more I think about him the more he looks like one from my class.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:27 am
by Usagi
Today, however, the use of nauseous to mean ‘affected with nausea’ is so common that it is generally considered to be standard.
Crill3 wrote:You're right but I'm not wrong. We win.
Agreed. I don't know why I care; I'm fine with words changing over time ("nice," for instance, used to mean something more like "stoopid!").
But I also don't like the use of "hopefully" to mean "I hope." To me it means "full of hope." So to say to a girl, "Hopefully, we'll have sex soon," means "Filled with hope, we will have sex soon." Hope for what? A good orgasm? Kids?
And Silb, I distinctly hear people say things in my dreams. In fact, sometimes if I hear someone crying out for help, I wake up ready to do something. But there's nobody around.