Split: Violence in games

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:32 pm

1st I'm 13, lets get that out of the way, yeah im young , stupid and gonna die in some stupid war but at least I'll still be able to see what happens when global warming REALLY gets in full motion.

two....HOLY CRAP RENEGADE!!!!! How old are U ???my guess is either 11 or 44.....11 is a little less creepy.....

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:59 pm

I don't see what the exclamation is for. What did I say?

And I'm 17.

If you didn't catch the irony in what I said, I don't really mean that 6-year-olds being raped is a good thing.

The fact you even posed the question like that was idiotic.

"raping 6 year olds....good or bad. Discuss"

It's obviously bad. I hope to god you weren't serious.

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:17 pm

sorry, lol, kinda hard to tell sarcasm in writing
Yeah I was kidding, i didn't expect anyone to say good....or at least say good and NOT be taken by police to an electric chair 78 seconds later

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:23 pm

Ok now... the killing of six year old girls in a video game? (no raping)
what is everyones view on that?

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:51 pm

well....maybe if they're zombies and they have guns and chainsaws

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:15 pm

Zombies? Hell ya!

Angry & Explosive? If an angry, explosive 6 year old kid was running at you, What Would Jesus Do? Him, as well as you would blow the crap out of 'em in a holy or slightly less holy way, and from a safe distance.

Deadly? Yeeeees.

Normal? Unless on a killing spree, no point really.

GaGrin · Post by **GaGrin** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:18 am

I turn my back for five minutes and suddenly you're all talking zombies?!

I'll round up my views on this (incase they haven't been made fairly clear); violence is utterly unacceptable.

Given that people are violent however, I do support defence of ones self and of others that are clearly not aggressors themselves (if you start a fight you finish it on your own).

I doubt I am truely capable of killing anyone, but I know that I would want to kill anyone who assaulted me with serious intent to harm me.

In terms of computer games, I think we need to see the genuine social effects of miscreant behaviour - and also more positive effects of acceptable behavior.

Ideally it needs to be more involved that a simple like/dislike (or worse: a good/evil) slider.

Thats why I'm looking forward to The Witcher so much

And children are generally abused by most cultures to some degree or another. What you have to realise is that much of what we do to children as normal social development would not be acceptable for an adult.

Now thats not necessarly bad, but it is worth thinking about; children are seen as inferior. Thats why most people get a protective instinct towards them and thats why childs deaths are seen as more tragic.

Edit:
nerodx: "pleasure" (by which I assume you mean sex, alcohol or a combination; but most likely sex) does not give your life meaning. Nor does not having it make your life less meaningful.

Unless you govern the value of life purely on Darwinistic values of procreation and survival of genetics (an idea most humans find abhorant) there is much, much more to life than that.

I can't comment so much on alcohol. I don't drink.

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:24 am

bout time someone understood that!
I'm not saying it's everything, but you guys STILL do have that. Not just that either, you guys can like vote, get married, and call those television ads on the tv without a parent (HATE THAT!) Yeah we are looked at as inferior and weaker, but if something happened such as(goin back to zombies!) zombies start killing everyone....in 2012....on december 12th.......I would want to be there to help, not just hide in some house or something.

invertin · Post by **invertin** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:42 am

Violence: Bad.
Violence on TV: unless it's real, fine.
Violence in games: Not a problem.
that guy who blames the Virginia shooting on video games: clearly insane.

If anything, video games have made me a better person! If not for video games I would be extremely dull and boring and type like this- "Z0MG I WINZOOR LOL OMG HAHA LOL!!!!11!!!1eleven!11"2""!!!"

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:05 pm

GaGrin wrote:I doubt I am truely capable of killing anyone

Maybe you should invest in a new set of thumbtacks.

invertin wrote:If anything, video games have made me a better person! If not for video games I would be extremely dull and boring and type like this- "Z0MG I WINZOOR LOL OMG HAHA LOL!!!!11!!!1eleven!11"2""!!!"

Yes, because video games are known for their educational qualities...?

Blorx · Post by **Blorx** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:39 pm

I'm 14...for those of you who don't know

invertin...never...and i mean NEVER do that again...it's unethical

NickD · Post by **NickD** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:20 am

invertin wrote:"Z0MG I WINZOOR LOL OMG HAHA LOL!!!!11!!!1eleven!11"2""!!!"

But I talk like that....

Edit: ... I'm 15...?

Colicedus · Post by **Colicedus** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:28 am

GaGrin wrote: doubt I am truely capable of killing anyone, but I know that I would want to kill anyone who assaulted me with serious intent to harm me.

It is actually quite easy to kill some one, Especially absentmindedly.
Its rather hard the first time you kill anything, you even at times start viewing yourself as a monster. But if you keep up the flow of killing, like one of my friends did for his career, it can be addictive.

nerodx wrote:(goin back to zombies!) zombies start killing everyone....in 2012....on december 12th.......I would want to be there to help, not just hide in some house or something.

I don't think anyone would shit around and let a army of zombis take over, I think we would all fight back...

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:22 am

no, knowing adults like i do you would be telling me to hide under a desk just like if we get nuked........and video games have helped me with aiming and stuff. I shoot BB guns at targets when I go to my Grandfathers house and I usually do much better then everyone else. Other then that the only time I used a real gun was at his house and shot a washing machine about 50 yards away(I dont know!). So I think I wont do horrible when the Mayan Zombies attack thanks to video games....and for all the adults who think that video games are evil and are making everyone who plays them crazy and evil....go...go to hell....

GaGrin · Post by **GaGrin** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:52 am

Colicedus wrote:It is actually quite easy to kill some one, Especially absentmindedly.
Its rather hard the first time you kill anything, you even at times start viewing yourself as a monster. But if you keep up the flow of killing, like one of my friends did for his career, it can be addictive.

Y'know its shit-talking like this that gives gamers a bad name...

Just stop a moment and look at what you're saying. Now consider that people are worried that games/films/music are desensitising children to violence and crime.

See the issue yet?

But hey, if thats your view I'm not going to argue - I just want to point out that its that kind of talk that makes gamers seem disaffected.

And honestly, yes, I expect if you did kill for a living it would get easier. But I personally would find it very hard to justify my actions to myself unless the threat was both immeadiate and directed towards me.

We aren't all super special snowflakes of uniqueness, but there is just something hideous about letting killing be a justifiable action in pretty much any circumstance.

It just makes me uncomfortable thinking about it.