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Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:55 am

"A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader."

That is what a cult is. Colicedus's definition does not come up in the dictionary. Catholicism does not fit in to the above quoted definition, and that is the widely recognised definition for cult. So if you're going to call Catholicism, an established religion, a cult, then be prepared to be challenged.

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:21 am

He's calling it a cult more or less as an insult. And what is with all this checking the dictionary?! It's what his view of the word is, and at the end of the day, it's what he means, not what the word means that matters the most, not being picky about his choice of wording.

nerodx · Post by **nerodx** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:18 am

um....im gonna stay outta this one.....and im presbyterian

Ultimatum479 · Post by **Ultimatum479** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:19 am

BunnyWithStick wrote:...at the end of the day, it's what he means, not what the word means that matters the most, not being picky about his choice of wording.

We're on a forum, not an instant messaging program. People have time to choose their words carefully, so they should do so. Learning the actual meaning of words rather than making up one's own special definitions on the spot is very useful when one wishes to communicate with others.

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:13 pm

No need for sarcasm.

Anyway, whatever he meant, my point was that he was calling something a cult when it's not.

Perhaps Catholicism is a false belief, I don't know, perhaps some Catholics are a bit extreme in their actions (when I say perhaps, I mean they are), as can be seen from the Catholic/Protestant actions in Northern Ireland etc. that have in fact died down in recent years.

However, there are much more guilty religious groups than Catholics. When was the last reported Catholic mass-bombing? I don't remember one to be honest. However, I have heard of countless suicide bombings from people doing it in the name of Islam. There have been many extremist acts carried out by members of the Islamic community (Muslims).

However, even in saying that, that's only a minority giving a majority a really bad name.

And if you're going to call the Pope a cult leader, I really don't feel like arguing anymore..

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:27 pm

I'm not. I'm just saying that it's OK for his idea of a cult to differ (Though not by much if you think about it.) from the official definition. We don't always need to look for answers in the dictionary. Urban Dictionary lists thousands of definitions and views of individual people (Albeit none of them stray far or at all from the official definition.) and a lot of words not in the dictionary. And if you never did check the dictionary in the first place, it's not really your fault for having a slightly different definition of a word.

He has a right to have an opinion of Catholicism, right?

That's all it is, really.

Ultimatum479 · Post by **Ultimatum479** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:55 pm

Renegade_Turner wrote:No need for sarcasm.

What was sarcastic about my post?

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:17 am

"Learning the actual meaning of words rather than making up one's own special definitions on the spot is very useful when one wishes to communicate with others."

Okay, it wasn't sarcasm, but you know what I mean. Lollll

I've stopped trying with this argument, because it's impossible.

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:22 am

Renegade_Turner wrote:I've stopped trying with this argument, because it's impossible.

Ditto.

Ultimatum479 · Post by **Ultimatum479** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:57 am

Renegade_Turner wrote:Okay, it wasn't sarcasm, but you know what I mean. Lollll

Actually, I don't. Applying that very statement here, if _you_ knew what you meant you might be able to tell me what it is you mean, rather than assuming that I know it. ^_^ So what do you mean?

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:52 pm

Okay, I meant to say it was a derisive comment that was intended to imply that he didn't know how to properly communicate with other people. I just meant we don't need that kind of thing.

A strong(e) person knows that tolerance is often the wiser option, especially over trivial things.

All I'm saying is you can argue with people, but you don't need to insult them however annoying they are.

Ultimatum479 · Post by **Ultimatum479** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:31 pm

...It's a _fact_, not an insult, that knowing the definitions of words is useful when communicating with others, and it's a _fact_, not an insult that, in this particular case, he certainly was _not_ communicating properly with others...considering that he had to make an entirely separate post explaining what his previous one meant.

Renegade_Turner · Post by **Renegade_Turner** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:03 pm

Still, no insults.

Nothing good to say, say nothing.

Ultimatum479 · Post by **Ultimatum479** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:08 pm

What part of "not an insult" did you not understand?

BunnyWithStick · Post by **BunnyWithStick** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:42 pm

Oldest trick in the book… And probably the least effective.

Just because something's a fact doesn't change the fact that it's also an insult.