God?

[Renegade_Turner]

Oh right, then I misinterpreted what I said, I apologise. I agree with you the way you just explained it.

[invertin]

Of course there is a higher being.

There isn't a god though.

He is a DIETY.

God doesn't sound awesome enough.

Yes I am refering to Naga.

[Srs]According to the laws of science themselves, everything must have something to create it. E.G You can't get a plant without a seed for it to grow from. Logically this means that reality itself must have had some creator of some sort.

Of course, that creator would be god. And since he apparantly exists outside of reality, he doesn't need anything to create him.

I don't believe in any particular religion. I'm pretty much Agnostic, but I do believe there's something. Whether or not it gives a crap about us is another thing entirely.[/Srs]

Woah.

I think I was srs for a few sentences too long there, my head hurts.

I need to sit down and eat some pringles.

*munch*

[Ragdollmaster]

"Exist out of reality"- maybe, but a sentient creator could very easily just be an example of universal emergence- y'know, when the significance of an object is greater than the sum of its individual parts. Eg, the human brain is nothing more than a few billion bundles of nerves and axons and terminals, but when you put all of them together, you get a being smart enough to be conscience and sentient. If the universe in itself is self-aware, then holy crap. No pun intended with the holy part.

Think of this- the human body is made up of trillions of different kinds of cells; different life forms in themselves, that, when they combine into tissues/organs/organ systems make one whole organism. Can't the universe be the human, and species of life just cells? And can't the universe represent a cell in itself, part of maybe more universes that are also sentient?

Abstract thinking is f**ked up.

I believe evolution is fully possible, but what I don't think that it happened by sheer chance. THAT would be striving to believe in a fairy tale. I'm not saying for certain that there is a God, but there's definitely something that would be able to create the universe.

Of course, scientific laws have all these rules like you can't create/destroy matter, and basic laws of physics; if there was a higher being, they would have to operate within these own laws to avoid a paradox, or basically, they'd have to do everything through naturally occurring but controlled situations. Kind of like a scientific experiment.

[invertin]

if there was a higher being, they would have to operate within these own laws to avoid a paradox,

How come?

God created those laws, he doesn't have to abide by them if he doesn't want to. Infact, just by existing (or unexisting or whatever he's going) he's broken several.

[Ragdollmaster]

Because, would it make sense for them to snap their fingers and something spontaneously occurred? They would be able to do anything, but not in any method. You can't pound a nail into a wall with a Twinkie just because you're a professional craftsmen. Doesn't that make sense?

[Skofo]

if there was a higher being, they would have to operate within these own laws to avoid a paradox,

How come?

God created those laws, he doesn't have to abide by them if he doesn't want to. Infact, just by existing (or unexisting or whatever he's going) he's broken several.

So you're saying that the universe existing for an infinite time back does not make sense, but a human-like deity creating the vast universe (and perhaps even caring about humans) even though this theory shares the criticism of not being able to tell what created it in the first place makes sense? I say that is quite self-centered. Why does everything worthwhile have to be made by a human or something similar? We, as humankind, are not objectively better than anything else, we are just wired up to appreciate human-like characteristics.

Seriously, a human-esque being is the last explanation for things we do not understand. A long time ago, a huge fraction of humankind thought that human-like beings controlled the movement of the sun and the explosion of volcanoes because they didn't know how to explain it otherwise, until society learned of the physics behind it. Today, a huge fraction of humankind still thinks that the entire universe was created by a human-like being because we don't know how to explain it otherwise. See what I'm talking about, here?

Perhaps there actually is an intelligent creator of the universe. However, this depends on your definition of "intelligent". Many people think that "intelligent" is synonymous with "human-like". The average person would not call a fire intelligent for being able to burn things. But if you did, I think that is the type of intelligent that a supposed "creator" of the universe would be. It is not there to be a person, it is a part of how physics works.

[Chainsaw man]

Hmm...
My thoughts on God:
Q-What is God

Info-We must understand what god is, wether God exists or not, and and on what plane of existance God exists on? If "Gods" were entitys from other worlds who created us, is it safe to say that maybe these "Gods" are still watching over us? If they are Extraterestrial than we would have to acsept that they probobly have seen out there owen culture grow and have higher understanding on how we are to live in peace, possobly offering advice to people they have seen to be fit for there standards.
If Gods were entitys on the supernatural planes of existance, we would have to acsept we are not yet at an ability to scintificly analize them, as they walk between worlds.

A-There is no way of knowing at this moment of time, as we do not have the understanding. All we have are scatared scriptures of many cultures telling us of similar Prophicys and storys, and similar ways of how we should live. Not knowing is probobly better than knowing, as knowing would probobly bring even more difficult questions like what is God is today...

[Ac30]

I read in some scientific article somewhere, that there is a 71% chance that we are living in a universe controlled by higher beings. Unmerciful, of course.

[Skofo]

I read in some scientific article somewhere, that there is a 71% chance that we are living in a universe controlled by higher beings. Unmerciful, of course.

Citation needed.

This is the way science (the study of truth) goes. You need things to back up your arguments.

[Renegade_Turner]

I read in some scientific article somewhere, that there is a 71% chance that we are living in a universe controlled by higher beings. Unmerciful, of course.

I think that may have been a joke. I hope it was. What a random percentage, and what an implausible set of circumstances. How can they deduce that?

Because, would it make sense for them to snap their fingers and something spontaneously occurred? They would be able to do anything, but not in any method. You can't pound a nail into a wall with a Twinkie just because you're a professional craftsmen. Doesn't that make sense?

Funnily enough, it doesn't actually make much sense. I don't know how you could have decided that's true.

[Ragdollmaster]

Skofo: I was only using an analogy/illustration/. I'm not saying the universe is one big human, nor am I comparing it directly to a human, I'm just giving a simpler way to view it instead of writing a couple thousand paragraphs explaining why.

R_T: No, it makes perfect sense. To achieve a certain effect, you need the proper cause. Twinkies don't pound in nails, hammers do. M'kay? I could give thousands of more examples, but I can't simplify it more than that.

[Renegade_Turner]

That's not what I meant. It doesn't make sense how you could have come to the conclusion that a god would have to be bound by the constraints of the physical world. If such a thing as a creator was real, there would have to be some sort of paranormal realm or plane...why would the constraints of the physical world which a god creates apply to the god itself? I don't know where you would draw such complete insistence that it would be so. That doesn't make any sense.

[Richie Rabbit]

[Ragdollmaster]

R_T: Oh. Well, a paranormal realm concerns a completely different theory. I'm just talking about if a creator would be part of a physical/tangible part of the universe, or the universe itself. Misunderstood you there =P

[Renegade_Turner]

You mean like he's living on the sun or something? Or is the sun? lol.