Youtube Vids Dont show you the real combat: I DO

[anomalouzs]

Then I'm out, not sure what you're trying to accomplish other than an ego trip if that's it. Ciao.

Try to add something of value to the discussion next time.

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Again you can't block everywhere. There is big difference betwene block and flinch. And what you are doing is onley 1 flinch animation that you can do it in combat mode while presing right mouse button and not attacking. there are bunch of them allready in overgrowth and think of that, you are onley allowed to use 1 out of combat mode. (oh forget to add a video link for you to show that this is a flinch thattou are doing)
http://blog.wolfire.com/2011/07/Overgro ... -changelog


There are atleast 6 different blocking animations with hands right now. (right leg left leg right torso left torso right yaw left yaw) + weapon vs weapon combat blocking + there will be blocking animations for hand to weapon combat.

What i am tryng to say here is you are not able to do those animations out of combat unless there are somekind of random in them. Yes you may be able to do a block that is blocking your leg but who desides wich leg? Also maybe there will be a special animation for blocking your legs against weapon attacks. I say maybe because we newer know what developers or modders are thinking. I am shure that there will be alot of different types of kicks when the game is more complite.

Also your MB1 to MB4 are mouse buttons?
If so how a laptop owner should play this game with touchpad? Or a regular person who don't have a gameing mose but onley max 3 buttons. Or there is a mouse for mac that is onley alloweing you to press 1 button at the time.

Oh and how do you make a reversals with thin air? who desides again what reversal are you doing. are you doing a reversal to hand vs a weapon? (there may be different reversals for different types of weapons. hammers knives swords knives spears and maybe throwabel weapons.[maybe you can cach a slow moveing object in the air and throw it back or use it for kicking with it])
Or you are doing a reversal sword vs hand (you have weapon and he is tryng to judo throw you because you didn't hit him (was out of weapon reach) or he was dodgeing)

Or is your point onley to make 4 options like 4 different weapons? Like let's say i want to jab and now i press a jab key but computer desides everything else?
Now when i want to make kick then i press kick button?
If that's so then there must be some random in there. I can't tell random to kick with my left leg to the enemy's legs or ribs. same goes with jab i can't tell random witch hand i am useing or how high i am hitting with just 2 buttons. (jab button when i am not moveing) Maybe onley if i am useing a direction key i can tell this random to make jab my enemy into hes ribs or face (useing forward moveing key + jab key to aim hes face)

[anomalouzs]

Again you can't block everywhere. There is big difference betwene block and flinch. And what you are doing is onley 1 flinch animation that you can do it in combat mode while presing right mouse button and not attacking.

Calling it a flinch is incorrect. If the rabbit put his hands in front of his face to block, its a block technically. Its a block animation you are calling a flinch. I realize this was what it was called in the Youtube vid explaining it as well, and it is incorrectly referenced as a flinch.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flinch
intransitive verb
: to withdraw or shrink from or as if from pain : wince; also : to tense the muscles involuntarily in anticipation of discomfort

The character does not shrink away, nor is it involuntary, he puts his hands up to block.

ITS A BLOCK.

ITS AN OUT OF COMBAT RANGE BLOCK. WHY DON'T I HAVE OUT OF COMBAT RANGE ATTACK TOO.


1block
noun, often attributive \ˈbläk\
: a compact usually solid piece of substantial material especially when worked or altered to serve a particular purpose: as a : the piece of wood on which the neck of a person condemned to be beheaded is laid for execution b : a mold or form on which articles are shaped or displayed c : a hollow rectangular building unit usually of artificial material d : a lightweight usually cubical and solid wooden or plastic building toy that is usually provided in sets e : the casting that contains the cylinders of an internal combustion engine f : starting block
2
a : obstacle b : an obstruction of an opponent's play in sports; especially : a halting or impeding of the progress or movement of an opponent in football by use of the body c (1) : interruption of normal physiological function (as of a tissue or organ); especially : heart block (2) : local anesthesia (as by injection) produced by interruption of the flow of impulses along a nerve d : interruption or cessation especially of train of thought by competing thoughts or psychological suppression — compare writer's block

If so how a laptop owner should play this game with touchpad? Or a regular person who don't have a gameing mose but onley max 3 buttons. Or there is a mouse for mac that is onley alloweing you to press 1 button at the time.

I would prefer in the control options menu once funcitonal that it would allow to rebind keys & be able to set one button combat on or off.

It would merely be an option, because people need choices, NOT THEIR WHOLE MOVESET DISABLED.

Oh and how do you make a reversals with thin air?

If you see someone take a swing, dodge or block. If the attack is about to connect but you block it, you could grapple and toss or grapple and etc etc etc, plenty of choices.


On full control combat: To reverse incoming attacks instead of just blocking them, reversal could be set to block + grapple an incoming attack. So on an incoming attack you hit block to block, grapple to grapple, or block+grapple to reverse (any stance).

Reversal on One Button Combat: Lugaru Style (AKA Default)

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Oh and how do you make a reversals with thin air?

If you see someone take a swing, dodge or block. If the attack is about to connect but you block it, you could grapple and toss or grapple and etc etc etc, plenty of choices.

But you are talking like you are the onley one in the map and practicing with thin air. you can't grab thin air and toss it over?

Oh and tell me this one.
When you are fighting hand to hand and when you are standing to close to your enemy are you still able to do same attacks as you are in perfect range for that attack.
With my logic i can tell you a answer. No you are not able to do so.
Lets look at the kick or high kick (1 is into ribs and 2 is into face).
How do you make a high kick when you are allmost toching him (like there is onley let's say
1 foot = 30 centimeters betwene you and enemy).
But maybe the combat is so fast and you did'nt notice you are tryng to make high kick him (lets say W+ kick key) and you are just spamming your keyes but nothing happens and that will cost your life. And because of that you need to have a limiter what you can and can't do in this sorts of game.

Same things goes with punch you can't be to close or to far away to your enemy.
1 thing is when you are to fare away you just cant rach. and i am not talking about that you see a enemy running into your fist. and even that attack don't have real power in it when you have your arm fully extended or it onley have started moveing.
the other thing is when you are standing to close. again you don't have that space to accelrate your fist. and you are kicking him like 5 year old.

That's why OG has that attack range built into it. althow i am not shure about that standing to close thing but i am shure David will polis hes system and make it petter

[anomalouzs]

When you are fighting hand to hand and when you are standing to close to your enemy are you still able to do same attacks as you are in perfect range for that attack.
With my logic i can tell you a answer. No you are not able to do so.

I cannot hit an out of range character. But it still want my character to swing and punch just like david wants his bunny to block out of combat to make it more intuitive (AKA FUN AND NOT JUST WATCHING YOUR CHARACTER DO NOTHING WHEN YOU HIT A BLOCK/ATTACK BUTTON).

Nope. If i am too close, it will punch and not kick and vise versa, game playing for you.

and even that attack don't have real power in it when you have your arm fully extended or it onley have started moveing.

Have someone swing at your face while you are running at them; your assumptions are incorrect.

Tyson breaks Steve-o's Nose on the Charlie Sheen roast, RUNNING INTO A EXTENDED FIST, tyson doesn't even bother swinging.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfk0fJjXtH4


Bruce Lee 1 inch punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeg_5bba6-M

Broken Leg to Disable opponents. (NSFL/NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm8G5Ormo-k


Trying using spell check once in a while there.

[Freshbite]

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Oh and now you are talking that i have to use spell check when you are allowed to insult and shout at people? Plus your foul language.

So what that i have spelled something wrong. i don't speak english so good but you do understand what i am sayng.

Bruce Lee 1 inch punch.

yes he's arm may move 1 inches but he has alot of force put into it. look how he is standing and maybe noticed that how much thes feet moved. he isn't gona do that with onley moveing he's arm. He put whole 1 leg or 2 legs and whaist + arm and matbe some other body mucles into that move. he cant to that in fast figting like OG has. So this is not a good examlpe. If i was in militalry i had there basck hand to hand combat moves and some theory there. I learned there to stand really close to my enemy to awoid hard hits. He just don't have distance to accelrate hes fists simlpe as that. also this eliminates hes feet attack. I mean he can't kick me with he's feet into my face.

Have someone swing at your face while you are running at them, your assumptions are incorrect.

No they are correct in every way. (pure physics in them) If your swing is timed wrong you don't have force in it. so that's why timing and distance that your fist is traveled trougth air is everything and you can't do that with holding left mouse button down. you have to time it right.

this force in kicking is like car crash the grater the spead the grater the damage. now if you crash at lower speed you do lower damage.

Now fully the outstretched hands loose hes momentum because you don't have leverage to accelrate your bone. (elbows mostly)
Now when the opposite of it is starting to give your hand a momentum. this is like car crash to the wall in 60 miles per hour but once your hand has reached it full momentum this is not like car crash with 60 miles per hour this is something else. i can't say 2 cars straight to each other becase we don't know how fast your fist is traveling but it is something like 2 cars crash with eachother that is traveling towards eachother at 60 miles per hour
So you just can't beat OG with holding attack button, you have to time your attacks and blocks and counter attacks.
I do hope that you understand that those 2 cars (1 of the car is your fist and 2 is target) wich are moveing at 60 miles per hour crashing into each other at combined speed of 120 miles per hour don't have the same effect as 1 car (your fist) is crashing to the wall (your target) at 60 miles per hour.

[anomalouzs]

es he's arm may move 1 inches but he has alot of force put into it. look how he is standing and maybe noticed that how much thes feet moved. he isn't gona do that with onley moveing he's arm. He put whole 1 leg or 2 legs and whaist + arm and matbe some other body mucles into that move. he cant to that in fast figting like OG has.

Yes you can. Stop lieing.

Use spell check, the quote above is a mess to read through.

If i was in militalry, I learned there to stand really close to my enemy to awoid hard hits.

You weren't in the military according your own post & you didn't learn anything there because you never went. You never learned to stand really close to an enemy to avoid hard hits.

LIAR.

If your swing is timed wrong you don't have force in it

A swing by definition has force and velocity.

You don't even know what are you even arguing about.

[Ragdollmaster]

Hm.

Well, since the boys I'd usually associate with doing this haven't shown up, and since everyone on the Wolfire development team is far too awesome and nice to say this, I guess I'll take the liberty:

OP, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you may want to be a little less combative and argumentative. You might also want to drop the pretense that your viewpoint is somehow "right"- because if you think it is, you're an idiot. You're trying to assert an arbitrary opinion as factual: "The combat is automated therefore it is bad what do you mean you don't think it's bad you're dumb and a liar >:C" You could certainly have valid points to bring up. Nobody really sees that (or cares about it) due to the walls of "RAHHHH LOOK AT ME USING CAPS LOCK I AM MAAAD"



Oh, also, I can't be bothered to look them all up, but in many instances of your arguments you're either flat-out wrong or trying to skew an ambiguous fact in your favor. Calm down and do a fact check before you accuse others of "lieing" and not knowing what they're talking about.

[anomalouzs]

OP, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you may want to be a little less combative and argumentative.

Yet you go on to say

Oh, also, I can't be bothered to look them all up, but in many instances of your arguments you're either flat-out wrong or trying to skew an ambiguous fact in your favor.

You are being combative calling my arguments wrong. Out of RESPECT I WILL STILL TAKE YOUR OPINION SERIOUSLY EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE COURTESY TO DO THE SAME. They are mostly opinion based combat control features that I would find more fun THAN FUCKING HOLD LEFT CLICK.

If you are not willing to even prove your point THEN DO NOT POST. You are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL. Stop Projecting your mental problems on others.



Full Combat Control

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One Button Combat

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OO you are so cool you learned how to upload files into this forum. Oh i must be fearng you now

So my englis is'nt so grate. But this is not giveing you rights to jell at me or someone else.
Also accuseing me of lying because i used 1 wrong word in my sentence. Pointless.

but looks like you are just trolling and don't have real answers onley some facts thay you are holding on to.
Now i want to hear some solutions how would you see OG combat movements while you are standing really close to the enemy and also when you are standing to fare from it.
what you can and can't do.Also why you can or can't do it.

[anomalouzs]

Now i want to hear some solutions how would you see OG combat movements while you are standing really close to the enemy and also when you are standing to fare from it.
what you can and can't do.Also why you can or can't do it.

If the enemy is in your face as opposed to proper full punch extension range, he could perform a short jab not a full jab, but it could take the same time (or less due to closer range) just look proper to the situation, such as not fully extending through the opponents face. If you punch while someone is not in range, it swings and misses, instead of nothing & just standing there.

Hmmm, some contextual based combat for Full control combat would be to determine if you are grappling from the front or back of the enemy.

Thanks for KERLI

[Ragdollmaster]

If you are not willing to even prove your point THEN DO NOT POST. You are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL. Stop Projecting your mental problems on others.

Oh god, I laughed so hard. So you essentially command me to not post on a public forum where you have no authority, and then after going on another one of your mental tirades, you accuse me of having an addled mental state.

Well, can't say I didn't try to help the guy out. Frankly, I could care less about his rantings. I really have no desire to discuss anything with someone who's half as big a douche as this fine gentleman. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.

[anomalouzs]

Oh god, I laughed so hard. So you essentially command me to not post on a public forum where you have no authority, and then after going on another one of your mental tirades, you accuse me of having an addled mental state.

Well, can't say I didn't try to help the guy out. Frankly, I could care less about his rantings. I really have no desire to discuss anything with someone who's half as big a douche as this fine gentleman. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.

If you could care less, why not care less then. Does that mean you actually care a little bit?

Maybe you should have said you couldn't care less so the statement would MAKE SENSE because it sounds you like you COULD NOT CARE ANY LESS IF YOU WANTED TO.

This is about combat in Overgrowth, not my personal Tirade. If you cannot keep on topic then you are spamming. Spamming is usually not acceptable under the forum agreement.

Stop.

[Korban3]

Wow, Freshbite AND Ragdollmaster? Out of the Randomness forum?
Anyways, do I qualify as tough because I read a full two pages of this crap?
I'll say somethings. In the military, you are in fact taught thar fights are won knitty gritty and up close. Your caps lock raging is annoying. Many of your points are founded on poorly explored gameplay. You're being an ass. As in; Can't tell if bad troll or just stupid, kind of ass. If you don't like holding down the LMB, then don't. Just click. That's what I do because I never got used to holding it. Seriously. Adding a bunch of combs and different controls is exactlly what David is trying to avoid via the contextual system. If you want to attack any time, then like I said before, mod the scripting. The game is very easy to mod. Now I'm done with this waste of bandwidth before it ruins the rest of my night.
Everyone else, sorry if I restated anything or said something redundant: I did not read all of this crap.

EDIT: Typos. Once again, as a final note, can't tell if bad troll or just stupid.