Deviation of the Nazis Discussion

[tailsfanatic]

NOTE: This is a continuation of the side-discussion that was happening in the thread "What if Nazis lived in your closet?"


I still don't get it.

Adolf Hittler was hear to teach us to stop listoning to 1000 year old Propaganda, and Propaganda in general.

What exactly was that propaganda?


Second, correct me if I'm wrong, but you say basically that Hitler being here and using deception and propaganda to trick a bunch of people into killing a bunch of other people was good because it taught us not to listen to propaganda and analyze things more carefully. But there must be some people who haven't learned their lesson from that. But it was worth it, because some people did learn their lesson

On the subject of hate crimes, I think it's safe to say that most people who do them and are punished are not remorseful. BUT there will be at least a few who will be remorseful and have learned their lesson. Applying the previous idea to this situation, it is worth it that the hate crime occurred because at least SOME people DID learn their lesson. And all hate crimes will be worth it because eventually someone will be apologetic.

This manner of thinking seems foolish to me. I do not think hate crimes are acceptable. I do not think Hitler's actions were acceptable. But if you think that the 10 million people's deaths were worth it because it taught somebody(s) a lesson, you must say that all situations in which anybody learns not to do it are justified. If you cannot say that about other situations, then either the principle is wrong for the original case as well, or you are a hypocrite.

[Count Roland]

wouldn't this have been better kept to a pm, since you're addressing one person in particular? and
2. Don't post messages specifically for other forum members, that is what private messages are for.

just wondering. (don't mean to sound like a donkey.)

[tailsfanatic]

Meh. This is an open discussion, anyone can contribute...

[Count Roland]

hahah I'm stunned speechless. or stupid.

[Blorx]

But there must be some people who haven't learned their lesson from that.

yeah, there were...try just about EVERYONE

[Renegade_Turner]

On the subject of hate crimes, I think it's safe to say that most people who do them and are punished are not remorseful. BUT there will be at least a few who will be remorseful and have learned their lesson.

The second I read that I thought of American History X. Even though it's generally massively overhyped like The Matrix and Fight Club, it's still amazing. Actually, I love all those films, even though they're overhyped. And I like Halo, even though that is overhyped. Oh my, this is going incredibly off-topic. Quick, say something on-topic.

Anti-semitism is wrong.

wouldn't this have been better kept to a pm, since you're addressing one person in particular? and
2. Don't post messages specifically for other forum members, that is what private messages are for.

just wondering. (don't mean to sound like a donkey.)

That would only apply if he were derailing some thread with a message directed at one person that was personal, i.e. not on-topic.

I think you can take a guess why it does not apply here. How can the first post of a thread be off-topic? That makes no sense.

[Count Roland]

well I suppose that's true and I could have misinterpreted the context. but I forget where I was going with this so lol.

[Chainsaw man]

Adolf Hittler was hear to teach us to stop listoning to 1000 year old Propaganda, and Propaganda in general.

What exactly was that propaganda?

An Art form

Propaganda is the means of mind control of masses though missinformation, lies and Patriotisem.

Second, correct me if I'm wrong, but you say basically that Hitler being here and using deception and propaganda to trick a bunch of people into killing a bunch of other people was good because it taught us not to listen to propaganda and analyze things more carefully. But there must be some people who haven't learned their lesson from that. But it was worth it, because some people did learn their lesson

Nothing is good or bad, Thinking makes it so.
it was not a very nice thing that Mr Hittler did, but with what came after his rule, was the awaking of the mind. People were starting to break from old habbits. I do understand what you mean, it was not right for the Jews to have there lives taken, let alone anyones lives taken. But know that spiritualy, everyone involved in the war was simply an actor on a stage, each one had his and her place. To look without judgement and to see the whole picture can you understand fully. You may understand this consept the next time youre at the buss stop when suddenly you find your self over hearing a conversation that leads you to your big break, or the moment you tip and fall, only to be picked up by some one who is to have a major impact on your life from there on in.

[Grayswandir]

Adolf Hittler was hear to teach us to stop listoning to 1000 year old Propaganda, and Propaganda in general.

What exactly was that propaganda?

An Art form

Propaganda is the means of mind control of masses though missinformation, lies and Patriotisem.

I think he wanted to know what the propaganda Hitler used was, not a definition of propaganda.

[Chainsaw man]

He got everyone worked up on his Idea, His speachs were the Propagander.

[Renegade_Turner]

I don't think he knows what he's talking about...

Propoganda is, traditionally speaking, a joint effort of a group of people to influence the collective opinions or views of another group of people.

Examples of propoganda is the use by the Bush administration of the word "terrorism" and also the use of the word "Communism" during the Red Scare of the 1950's. "Terrorism" was used as a buzz-word to scare the American people into supporting the invasion of Iraq on a wild goose chase. "Communism" was used in connotation with "evil" by the Truman era of the US government to promote the idea that Communism was wrong and evil and that any people you knew or knew of that were expressing or supporting Communist views were evil or wrong or bad, and should be reported. Watch the film "Guilty By Suspicion" for a popular portrayal of this. Robert De Niro played the lead role, it was quite good.

Anyway, Hitler's campaign formed many rallies called the Nuremberg Rallies, which were mass propoganda events held every year by the state, and were used as a means of solidifying faith in "der Fuhrer" and were televised and recorded in such a way that emphasised the solidarity between the German people and the Nazi party in an iconic fashion. There were also many speeches and so on held, and poster campaigns and such like. Much information was kept from the German people also, especially considering the concentration camps. It turned out that many of the public who saw Jews being arrested never knew they were being exterminated at concentration camps. Propoganda is the term used to the describe how governments influence and often manipulate the views of their people.

[Chainsaw man]

Thanks Ren, I couldent have said it better myself.

[Ragdollmaster]

Thanks Ren, I couldent have said it better myself.

You really couldn't have, because what you were saying made no sense =/

Well put R_T. As a specification of the types of propaganda, you mentioned the term Nuremberg- this refers to certain laws passed that took away the civil rights of Jews in Poland, Germany, Italy, and many of the Axis controlled European countries. They could no longer vote, use mass or private transit, enjoy recreational activities (for example, theaters and restaurants), and Jews were often segregated from Christians and others who many of the Germans unscientifically believed were part of a superior race. They often associated this with the ancient Aryan natives, a wiped out African race that they believed had been the first civilized society. Nazi propaganda also said that Jews were the destroyers of society and civilized ways of life. Why? Well, Hitler had gotten into politics after WWI and was pretty angry at the loss of Germany, so he needed somebody to blame it on. He chose the entire race of the Jewish people, claiming they were the reason Germany was impoverished with inflation skyrocketing and many people not being able to live in peace. Many Germans, even those who were not part of the Nazi political system, supported Hitler, as they believed he could lead Germany to glory and improve the living conditions. In addition, many Germans believed the Allies to be a collection of evil nations who killed innocent civilians for no reason, another reflection of how effective Nazi propaganda was.