What is your Definiton of Alcoholic?

[Count Roland]

hahaha I had to go to a therapist once I lied to it and it believed me, only way it helped was it let me realize no one can really tell a lie, not even those people who think they can get inside other people's heads and "Help them"

[Chainsaw man]

Damn you, now im depressed too!

Why?

[kehaar]

hahaha I had to go to a therapist once I lied to it and it believed me, only way it helped was it let me realize no one can really tell a lie, not even those people who think they can get inside other people's heads and "Help them"

Yeah, I got sent to one, too. Hard to believe; I was barely f*cking enraged at all... it was just another bullying event as far as I could tell, another adult/parent/teacher/jerk telling me I sucked.

I think the key difference is being coerced as a kid, when everyone else holds the power over you, and going as a grownup on your own choice. You're using your own money, picking the person you want to talk to, and talking about what you want to.

It's a huge thing, really it's the exact opposite of being forced. You don't have to make anyone happy but yourself, you don't have to defend yourself from anyone, you don't have to be careful not to hurt the therapist's feelings or anyone else's. There are laws that prevent them from telling anyone else what you say, so your family and friends have no influence on you at all. It rocks.

Hands down the best money I ever spent in my life, and I've bought a lot of cool shit over the years.

[Uberbeard]

This is not the best place to search for help, it has to be said.

[TheBigCheese]

This is not the best place to search for help, it has to be said.

Why exactly is that? Sure it's not professional, but support from people you know is going to a lot further than trying to talk to people you've never met before.

[Uberbeard]

For an impartial view on things? This might be of some help, sure, but overall? I dunno, opening yourself up to a forum full of people you exchange pleasantries with seems like unneeded exposure. Perhaps not, there are certainly a lot of people interested in Chainsaw's points. Aoh.

I know you've written you don't feel close to the people you hang out with, Chainsaw, but that seems more of an ego problem you need to deal with. You write that you spend too much time with your friends instead of improving yourself, but then you seem to contradict yourself and suggest you despise people who are close to you. You talk about spiritual 'fuck nuts' but you don't seem to give them quarter with their beliefs, perhaps they work for them, cat huffing or not, dismissing them isn't going to help you feel any closer.

Alcholism isn't a very healthy or mature way of getting attention, and it's an even worse thing to resort to if you're trying to fill some kind of emotional void. It's obvious even people here want to help and support you, so take that on board if you're feeling down, I hope this doesn't come across as obnoxious either, I just want to be frank.

Also, stop being melodramatic, it really doesn't help you make a point if you convolute it with imagery, I'm always willing to take people's concerns seriously, but you put a lot of 'flavour' in you writing and, as great as that is, I really don't read that as sincerity.

[TheBigCheese]

For an impartial view on things? This might be of some help, sure, but overall? I dunno, opening yourself up to a forum full of people you exchange pleasantries with seems like unneeded exposure. Perhaps not, there are certainly a lot of people interested in Chainsaw's points. Aoh.

I know you've written you don't feel close to the people you hang out with, Chainsaw, but that seems more of an ego problem you need to deal with. You write that you spend too much time with your friends instead of improving yourself, but then you seem to contradict yourself and suggest you despise people who are close to you. You talk about spiritual 'fuck nuts' but you don't seem to give them quarter with their beliefs, perhaps they work for them, cat huffing or not, dismissing them isn't going to help you feel any closer.

Alcholism isn't a very healthy or mature way of getting attention, and it's an even worse thing to resort to if you're trying to fill some kind of emotional void. It's obvious even people here want to help and support you, so take that on board if you're feeling down, I hope this doesn't come across as obnoxious either, I just want to be frank.

Also, stop being melodramatic, it really doesn't help you make a point if you convolute it with imagery, I'm always willing to take people's concerns seriously, but you put a lot of 'flavour' in you writing and, as great as that is, I really don't read that as sincerity.

Boy, that's sympathetic.

[kehaar]

[quote="TheBigCheese]
Boy, that's sympathetic. [/quote]

Ah ha ha ha

... yeah, maybe we're not the most skilled therapists you could ask, Chainsawman.

[Uberbeard]

Boy, that's sympathetic.

My function list does not include sympathy.

[ShadowTheory]

Wow this sounds like me except I don't drink (well I do but I mean not constantly) I dont have to. Mainly because I dont care that I dont care about stuff or hate everyone around me. eventually everyone realizes that life is in and of itself pointless, and either gives up or has to find their own reasons for staying around. you just have to find your reason really (easier said than done unfortunately) personally i had to remove myself from everything i knew before i found mine, but thats not a great way of doing things - it can be extremely painful mentally. i suppose this post could help or hurt depending on how you look at it, i hope it helps though

[zoidberg rules]

This is not the best place to search for help, it has to be said.

that's a load of BS and you know it

most of us have been through some sort of problems in our lives

for example, the shadows used to be depressed, as did i (hell i still have pretty bad anger management issues), invertin is so f***ed up in the head i think he actually might kill me some day and spartan...well he may well be gay for me, suffers from a pretty bad god comlex at times and on several occasions has actually bitten chunks out of me

oh and if the "all had the problems" thing has already come up im sorry for the repetition, too lazy to read through long posts...hmm i now see the irony in this post though, see if you can spot it too lol

[Renegade_Turner]

For an impartial view on things? This might be of some help, sure, but overall? I dunno, opening yourself up to a forum full of people you exchange pleasantries with seems like unneeded exposure. Perhaps not, there are certainly a lot of people interested in Chainsaw's points.

I understand health problem queries and computer troubleshooting queries, but airing the dirty parts of your social life to a forum full of people you don't actually know whatsoever always touches me as a bit odd.

Having said that, the only way to deal with alcoholism seems to be to completely abstain from it, because alcoholics do not have the self-control to know when to stop drinking. My uncle is an alcoholic, and he hasn't drank alcohol for about 15 years. It's the most logical way to solve the problem. Having said that, it's not as easy as it sounds, of course. I wouldn't know since I've never had the problem, and can easily spend a night out only drinking water without having the temptation of drinking alcohol if I don't want to. Alcohol rarely makes a night better anyway. In the right circumstances it does.

It's interesting to have a look at the opinions of the (former) chief drugs adviser for the UK David Nutt's opinions on the dangers of alcohol, tobacco and cannabis.

He said that all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, should be ranked by a "harm" index, with alcohol coming 5th behind cocaine, heroin, barbiturates, and methadone, and tobacco should rank 9th, ahead of cannabis, LSD and ecstasy.

This is essentially saying that alcohol should be ranked more harmful than tobacco and cannabis. If you take into account the amount of accidents and health problems which are directly related to alcohol then you can see where he's coming from.

I think the fact he was sacked was scandalous and various scientists and scholars from universities such as Oxford and the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs have criticised the government for his sacking, saying that it is a clear disregard for scientific findings, and that the disregard is based on political interests. Some members of the Advisory Council have resigned in protest.

Sorry for the random tangent, I just felt it was an interesting point.

In fairness, I don't think he was saying tobacco and ecstasy should be legalised. I rather think he was arguing that if they are illegal then so to should tobacco and alcohol be illegal.

In more succinct form, DRUGS ARE BAD (and yes that includes alcohol).

[Uberbeard]

I understand health problem queries and computer troubleshooting queries, but airing the dirty parts of your social life to a forum full of people you don't actually know whatsoever always touches me as a bit odd.

Perhaps I worded it badly, but Renegade might be on the same track, and hey! Zoidberg, it's not a load of BS, I'm not willing to take that one to the chest. If you can honestly tell me that you think an online forum for an independent video game is the best and first place you would suggest for anyone going through an emotional (and possibly chemical) upheaval I would be genuinely shocked. We're second to what? Second Life, possibly worse? Yahoo Answers.

Interesting point Renegade, but I'm worrying myself about appearing to take the conversation elsewhere. This is, of course, a topic for Chainsaw's benefit, so that'll be the last I'll mention my opinion on where the best help lies, or doesn't as it were.